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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
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For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2004, 08:06:49 PM »
While I would be the last to begrudge my brother and sister Forum Members a good time, I'm afraid this discussion area has become a play pen only. I would ask to reserve at least this one topic area for serious claimants only - and would ask that any joke or ridicule posts or comments posted here be moved to another area.

Some of us are legitimately interested in a discussion of claimants as an area of study, and I am one of those, having checked out a few of these stories myself.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2004, 10:27:27 PM »
The 'other' claimants thread has been viewed over four thousand six hundred times.

They must be saying something that people enjoy.

Yes, I agree, let's have the few people that are interested post on this new thread called 'For Serious Claimants, Please.

I would't expect too many posts, though.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2004, 10:39:26 PM »
Actually, as a sideline to the whole Romanov story, I have studied a few...those that I could find material on.  Most are just a mention-footnote in books about other subjects though.
I have several books on Alexeis & Anastastias, but have not found anything on the other claimants.
Also, I have a very almost hysterical book by someone who claimned to be Rasputin !! Now THAT was really pushing creditability !!
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2004, 07:09:38 PM »
Lisa,

I believe you're not that happy with as I may say "The witty Imperial Claimants". As Donny said maybe people enjoy reading (or not). But for the ones who post I think it's real fun (some have great imagination). Speaking for myself I'm also very interested in the other topics on this board.

But of course if there's a need of a serious thread this would be the right place.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2004, 12:05:15 PM »
Perhaps the subject should read For Serious Conversation about the Claimants, Please.

Rodger sent me here to talk about Claimants.  This is what I wrote on another board on 19 June 04:

 Massie mentioned some of the imposters in The Romanovs, The Final Chapter in Part II.
1.  Nadezhda Ivanova Vasilyeva died  in 1971 in a asylum in Riga
2.  Two women, real names uknown, however, know as Marie and Anastasia who died in the Urals in 1964
3. Filipp G.  Semyonov who was said to have hemophilia and claimed to have been Alexis
4. Marga Boodts who lived in Italy and claimed to be Olga
5. Larisa Feodorovna Tudor died 1927 and buried in Kent, England who claimed she was Tatiana.
6.  A man who  lived in Madrid as Prince Alexis d'Anjou whom some said was Alex Brimeyer.... died in Spain
7. Man, name unknown, claimed to be Alexis and lived in Ulm, Germany
8. Alexi Tammet-Romanov died in 1977 in Vancover, British Columbia
9.  Prince Alexis Romanov who died in 1986 and had lived in Scottsdale, Arizonia
10.  Another Alexis was said to have been assassinated in Chicago by the KGB...
11 & 12.   Two people who claimed to be Alexis and Anastasia met in USA and gained some attention by the press... names unknown
13.  Goleniewski died in 1993..
14. Eugenia Smith lived in Illinois then R.I. and Massie said was still living in 1995
15.  others ???
16. Anna Anderson (Manahan), who always had the most attention, died 1984, and whom many believe was a Polish peasant

Anyone have any other names?

AGRBear

P.S. 23 June 04: I will add to this.  Since several of you have studied some of the claimants, perhaps this thread could talk about what we have learned about claimants, excluding Anna Anderson, since she has her own discussion thread.
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2004, 11:53:45 PM »
Gee, AGR Bear, why did Rodger "send" you here? Are you Rodger?

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2004, 06:13:41 PM »
So pleased this thread has opened up. However, I do enjoy all the other topics of discussion.  Underlying they are somewhat interesting and informative. I do hope that we can be open minded and respectful in our views.

I believe that some members of Tsar Nicholas's family escaped.  

I would like to use this forum to analyse and share what information people  have to draw up possible clues as to what could have happened during 1917-18. Other than what has actually been written.  Possibly take a different view. What escape plan could have been planned and by whom.


I believe from information I have that two of the Tsars children did escape.  There is documented evidence that two Grand Dutchesses were picked up at Black Sea ports, on royal orders by a British naval ship HMS Lord Nelson in 1918 and dropped somewhere in Oran in French North Africa.  

Can anyone shed more light?




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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2004, 08:34:48 PM »
Please. share your "information" about who was picked up and when and where.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2004, 10:22:03 PM »
Yes,  please fill us in on this new information about the Tsars children that  escaped from the cellar.   This could change the whole course of Russian history and leave a lot of writers with egg on their face.  Don't waste a minute more.

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2004, 11:09:29 AM »
Candice,
You mentioned before about the two GD that were picked up on Yalta or somewhere in the Black sea Coast, but I thought you were talking about Xenia Alexandrova and Olga Alexandrova. Yet you never really mentioned who you were talking about.  Can we know why??

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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2004, 02:15:15 PM »
I am not Rodger.  

He had mentioned that there was a thread on claimants and I assumed he meant this thread.

Am I still in the wrong place?

AGRBear

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There were many agents moving around Russia, especially the House of Special Purpose.  Surly someone was working on a rescue?  What about someone in  the White Army who was about to enter Ekaterinburg?
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2004, 05:50:38 PM »
This information came from an article I saw and in the Telegraph newspaper on September 25, 1996.  I still have the cutting. The small article did not specify which imperial grand duchesses were dropped off at Oran in French North Africa. The article was written by Charles Arnold-Baker.

My belief is consistant with other people that believe that two of the girls did escape.  If this article is a thread one cannot dismiss it.  If this is correct, it would also be feasible that they would've settled somewhere in the south of Europe.

Comments and discussions are not meant to throw egg in anyone's face nor to challenge any one person. This is purely to share opinions and information and possibly stumble into a true credible mystery.

We know that there was a rescue attempt.  What if it had been half successful?  
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Re: For Serious Claimants, Please
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2004, 09:36:08 AM »
Candice,
I agree with you, We are here to  comment and discuss our point of view, but also based on facts and information we have gathered somewhere else, and also bring new light and knowledge about events we did not have enough information, such as why Sophie was set free and allowed to leave, now we know, and learning the truth about events like that, are what make this discussion forum worthwhile...

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2004, 01:31:07 PM »
I agree that a "ground rule" of such discussions needs to be respect for those posting. Also, it doesn't hurt to keep an open mind. For my part, I am most interested in stories with two bodies rescued, Alexis and one of his sisters. Based on available information, scenarios with this information seem most viable.