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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2005, 08:35:08 AM »
Thanks for that, Silja. But everyone, please remember, poor old umigon is a HE not a SHE!  :-/
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2005, 09:04:40 AM »
Oh la la Umigon you really DO have to post your photo to give proof you're a guy  :D

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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2005, 09:21:22 AM »
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Oh la la Umigon you really DO have to post your photo to give proof you're a guy  :D


Yes, I'm afraid you will have to go to these lengths!  ;D ;D
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2005, 09:55:59 AM »
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. But everyone, please remember, poor old umigon is a HE not a SHE!  :-/


By now I've finally realized that too  ;).
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2005, 10:50:41 AM »


Finally its been noticed that I am a guy! hehehe!


Well, thank you very much to Silja, Prince and Cimbrio! I know ot is not difficult to see my point for many of you and I am very grateful for your support.


I think we whould get on to discussing Catherine again!


Any suggestions!

P.S. Of course I happily accept critics about her politics or her person, but I think that if we ALL keep the discussion in respectful terms, it will be best for all of us!
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2005, 11:12:09 AM »
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How was Catherine regarded aborad? Did other rulers think of her as a mere 'merchant' or did they learn to respect here?


How bout this question for you umigon? Any idea? Thanks!  :)
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2005, 04:34:53 PM »
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How was Catherine regarded aborad? Did other rulers think of her as a mere 'merchant' or did they learn to respect here?



Catherine was seen as a powerful personality, but foreign Kings and governors didn't tend to love her very much... Philip of Spain considered her a "heretic" (sorry if it offends anyone) because of her approaches to the Huguenots.

Elizabeth Tudor didn't trust her, and Catherine also distrusted Elizabeth.
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2005, 05:33:56 PM »
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Catherine was seen as a powerful personality, but foreign Kings and governors didn't tend to love her very much... Philip of Spain considered her a "heretic" (sorry if it offends anyone) because of her approaches to the Huguenots.

Elizabeth Tudor didn't trust her, and Catherine also distrusted Elizabeth.


Elizabeth I didn't trust anyone . . . and don't worry, the word 'heretic' does not offend me.  ;)
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2005, 05:35:35 PM »
Quite an intelligent feature of hers!
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2005, 05:37:40 PM »
Quite an intelligent feature of hers! Catherine was very much like Elizabeth in that sense, she only trusted her children and herself. Of course, trusting herself gave its triumphs, but it was an error trusting her children...
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2005, 05:56:26 PM »
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Quite an intelligent feature of hers! Catherine was very much like Elizabeth in that sense, she only trusted her children and herself. Of course, trusting herself gave its triumphs, but it was an error trusting her children...


Error in trusting her children? How so? I always thought she thoroughly controlled all of them . . .
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2005, 06:15:12 PM »


Well, she didn't!

1.With François II she created a power-balance with the Guises, but yes, she controlled him.

2. She thought she controlled Isabel, but she proved to be more loyal to her Spanish husband than to her mother (see Isabel de Valois thread in Iberian Toyal Families).

3. She certainly did control Claude, but this control was not important. It served to control her son-in-law, Duke Charles III of Lorraine.

4. With Charles IX it was some kind of struggle. He sometimes rebelled against her authority, but he always ended returning to her.

5. Her beloved Henry III (Sandrin) was a frivolous young man who didn't care much about his mother. He was dominated by her, but his egoistic character made him desobey her on many occasions.

6. She loved Marguerite (Margot) tenderly, but she would end nearly hating her and permitting her confinement in Usson. Margot issued some revolts against her mother and brother (Henry III).

7. Hercule François and Catherine never had a close relationship, as he had been educated away from her. He also became some kind of rebel against her and Henry, but he ended reconciliated with both.
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2005, 06:17:41 PM »
Thanks for that!  ;D

Was Henri a tranvestite or a homosexual, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Did Hercule die young? Was he Duc d'Alencon or am I confused again?  ???
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Re: Catherine de Medicis
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An Eyewitness Account of the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre
by François Dubois
From the Musée Cantonal Des Beaux-Arts, Lausanne Switzerland


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August 24, 1572, was the date of the infamous St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre in France. On that day, over 400 years ago, began one of the most horrifying holocausts in history. The glorious Reformation, begun in Germany on October 31, 1517, had spread to France—and was joyfully received. A great change had come over the people as industry and learning began to flourish, and so rapidly did the Truth spread that over a third of the population embraced the Reformed Christian Faith.

However, alarm bells began to ring at the Vatican! France was her eldest daughter and main pillar—the chief source of money and power. . . . King Pepin of the Franks (the father of Charlemagne) had given the Papal States to the Pope almost 1000 years earlier. Almost half the real estate in the country was owned by the clergy.

Meanwhile, back in Paris, the King of France and his Court spent their time drinking, reveling and carousing. The Court spiritual adviser—a Jesuit priest—  urged them to massacre the Protestants—as penance for their many sins! To catch the Christians off-guard every token of peace, friendship, and ecumenical good will was offered.

Suddenly—and without warning—the devilish work commenced. Beginning at Paris, the French soldiers and the Roman Catholic clergy fell upon the unarmed people, and blood flowed like a river throughout the entire country. Men, women, and children fell in heaps before the mobs and the bloodthirsty troops. In one week, almost 100,100 Protestants perished. The rivers of France were so filled with corpses that for many months no fish were eaten. In the valley of the Loire, wolves came down from the hills to feel upon the decaying bodies of Frenchmen. The list of massacres was as endless as the list of the dead!

Many were imprisoned—many sent as slaves to row the King's ships—and some were able to escape to other countries. . . . The massacres continued for centuries. The best and brightest people fled to Germany, Switzerland, England, Ireland and eventually America and brought their incomparable manufacturing skills with them. . . . France was ruined. . . . Wars, famine, disease and poverty finally led to the French Revolution—the Guillotine—the Reign of Terror—the fall of the Roman Catholic Monarchy—atheism—communism etc., etc.

When news of the Massacre reached the Vatican there was jubilation! Cannons roared—bells rung—and a special commemorative medal was struck—to honor the occasion! The Pope commissioned Italian artist Vasari to paint a mural of the Massacre—which still hangs in the Vatican!


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Re: Catherine de Medicis
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2005, 02:08:58 AM »
Hercule was the chappie who was a prospective bridegroom for Elizabeth Ist wasn't he. As for Henri, well he was supposedly deeply religious and also an intellectual. The attention he gave to his personal hygiene- in particular his hair,was mocked as effeminate. His "mignons", or favorites were not necessarily Homosexual but were actually superb swordsmen.
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