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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2005, 12:25:07 PM »
I've read that the Queen Mother's brother, David, was vehemently against Philip and tried to get her (QMUM) to fight against the marriage.

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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2005, 12:36:40 PM »
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I've read that the Queen Mother's brother, David, was vehemently against Philip and tried to get her (QMUM) to fight against the marriage.


Janet,

Why would QEIIs Uncle David Boyes Lyon be aganist a marriage to Phillip? It seems to me the matter was "none of his biswaxs".

Also, I read in many different sources that Queen Mary "Old Emerald & Diamond Drawers" was very much for the match. "Old Emerald & Diamond Drawers" viewed Phillip as a "double" Glucksburg Prince because he was a Prince of both Greece and Denmark.  Therefore "double Royal".

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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2005, 01:02:12 PM »
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Why would QEIIs Uncle David Boyes Lyon be aganist a marriage to Phillip?  It seems to me the matter was "none of his biswaxs".

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My 200 books are at home and I'm at work so I can't research the exact reasons, but I think it was that he didn't like him personally, thought him arrogant and too different from the usual aristocrat.

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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2005, 09:19:55 PM »
Wasn't in effect Queen Victoria's & Prince Albert's marriage somewhat arranged?

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2005, 05:37:04 AM »
Philip of Greece was royal.   Unlike Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon and her siblings who were 'aristocrats'.  

I recall, it was reported our present Queen once told her mother that, unlike her, SHE was born royal.   I wonder if it could have been the opposition of the Bowes-Lyon family to Elizabeth marrying Philip, that forced the Queen to -  for her - make such a bold and extreme statement.

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2005, 11:09:33 AM »
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I recall, it was reported our present Queen once told her mother that, unlike her, SHE was born royal.  


That would have been an interesting conversation to overhear.  
I read that Bertie proposed to Lady Eliz B-L twice and was refused but persevered and asked a third time and was of course accepted.  It makes you wonder why she finally acquiesced.  
On Chuck and Di, I don't know if it was an arranged marriage so much as a huge, awful ruse on a naive young girl.


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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2005, 11:20:12 AM »
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I recall, it was reported our present Queen once told her mother that, unlike her, SHE was born royal.   I wonder if it could have been the opposition of the Bowes-Lyon family to Elizabeth marrying Philip, that forced the Queen to -  for her - make such a bold and extreme statement.

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Oh my!  I hope she didn't call her a "common little Scottish girl"  or a "fat Scottish cook".   ;D



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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2005, 12:01:53 PM »
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Oh my!  I hope she didn't call her a "common little Scottish girl"  or a "fat Scottish cook".   ;D
 



No, that came out of Princess Marina's mouth! ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2005, 03:37:21 PM »
Don't forget about Victoria, Princess Royal of England and Friederich III of Germany! ;) Their marriage was definately arranged. Although they first met when Vicky was ten and Fritz was 19 or 20, it was planned by QV, PA and Fritz's parents that they would marry when Vicky was considered old enough. But their marriage was a love match too

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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2005, 03:38:02 PM »
Don't forget about Victoria, Princess Royal of England and Friederich III of Germany! ;) Their marriage was definately arranged. Although they first met when Vicky was ten and Fritz was 19 or 20, it was planned by QV, PA and Fritz's parents that they would marry when Vicky was considered old enough. But their marriage was a love match too

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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2005, 03:38:28 PM »
Don't forget about Victoria, Princess Royal of England and Friederich III of Germany! ;) Their marriage was definately arranged. Although they first met when Vicky was ten and Fritz was 19 or 20, it was planned by QV, PA and Fritz's parents that they would marry when Vicky was considered old enough. But their marriage was a love match too

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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2005, 09:23:20 AM »
I promise not to forget!!!  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2005, 08:58:44 AM »
Elizabth Bowes-Lyon was allegedly in love with another man, someone who was definitely not considered suitable.

It has been argued that she was not wholly convinced about the wisdom of marrying into the RF, and the life of royal duty and loss of freedom that would ensue.

It might however have been the rather less than prepossessing charms of Bertie that were the major stumbling block. Slight of stature and afflicted with a crippling stammer, he was certainly not such an eligible parti when compared to his elegant and chartismatic brother David.  It has also been said that Elizabeth had an eye on the bigger picture and hoped that she might land the bigger fish and thus rejected the proposals of the younger, less attractive brother with the less glittering prospects. If this was the case, imagine her chagrin at losing out to the sophisticated, brittle and elegant divorcee Wallis Windsor...(it might explain some of her bitter enmity towards the Dss of Windsor?)

As Tsaria rightly suggests, she does seem to have formed a genuine attachment to her husband, although rumours abound of domestic violence and alchohol abuse.  True enough it is that she took to the life of queen like a duck to water, and never enjoyed anything les than truly regal style, even in her long years of widowhood.

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2005, 11:00:28 PM »
I agree that the marriage bewteen The Prince of Wales and Lady Diana was a "scam" on the poor girl.
The royal family was looking for a virgin who was of good breeding stock.
That telling question during their engagement announcement when Charles was asked "Are you in love?"  His answer, "Of course, whatever love means".
(quote probably not exact)
Lady Di should have run for the hills right then and there!
But would I have run?  Probably not.
Imagine the feeling of being asked to become Queen of England!  Even married to a "scum bag" like Charles.
Please my British poster friends, don't take offence.
It's just my humble opinion.

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« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2005, 07:54:24 AM »
I don't think that we should overlook the disparity in their respective ages at the time.

Diana was still very young, maybe too young to be married, and quite probably subject to her family's dynastic ambitions, which probably resulted in some pressure being brought to bear.  She was quite possibly as much in love with the concept of being wooed by a prince and future king, as she was with the man himself, although one can't magine that she knew him well enough.

As for Charles, his comment regarding love shows quite clearly a  man who was much more sophisticated and worldly than his intended bride, and who quite clearly did not share her romantic notions.

His concept of love was already being fulfilled elsewhere; just quite he thought Diana's function in his life would be remains less clear........
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