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« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2004, 01:10:19 PM »
Re: the relationship betweeen Alix and Xenia, other factors may have been at work as well. Xenia's husband Sandro was not the most tactful person in the world, in sharp contrast to the more diplomatic Nicholas. And in time Sandro became an unfaithful husband, which would certainly have been an embarrassment to Xenia, especially as a marked contrast to the fidelity of her brother and his wife. The fact that Xenia did have an entire troop of healthy, boisterous sons was undoubtedly difficult for Alix to bear--compounded with the fact that the Dowager Empress favored Xenia and Sandro's children over Nicholas and Alix's children--but Xenia's attitude also may have contributed to the dynamic. In addition to being hostile toward Rasputin and sharing in the gossip, in time she also strayed from her own marital vows. Also during this period, Nicholas and Alix were showing sympathy for the predicament of his youngest sister, Olga, and that also may have widened the gulf. For just as the Dowager Empress favored her grandchildren by Xenia, she also had been far closer to Xenia than to her youngest daughter Olga--who, not incidentally, remained tactful about the matter of Rasputin.  

The Dowager Empress had tangled with Alix early on, most notably over the matter of the jewels. She was reluctant to let go of her position, and Alix, quite rightly, did not want to be publicly subordinate to her mother-in-law. So battle lines were drawn, and--all things considered--it is understandable that the two couples, once friendly newlyweds with infant girls approximately the same age, eventually would become estranged.
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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2004, 01:52:51 PM »
What is "the matter of the jewels"???
MF and AF had problems about their jewels?

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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2004, 02:41:24 PM »
There were ongoing "jewel wars". If I remember correctly, there weren't a great deal of State jewels for the Heir's wife. I remember this because of a nasty remark Alix made about there being no jewels for a spouse of Michael's - this would have to have been 1899-1904 when MA was Tsesarevich. I think the heir's wife had to either be leant jewels by the reigning Empress or be given some personally.

The situation with Alix and Dagmar was that the later was suddenly widowed and expected to pass the jewels on to Alix. Since Alexander III died suddenly and rather unexpectedly - and since Nicholas and Alix married rather quickly after - Dagmar did not part with the Empress' jewels easily or willingly. Alix as a new bride doubtless did not wish to cause offense to her new - and newly widowed MIL - but she was entitled to wear these coveted jewels. Hence the tension. I believe Alix got them eventually but it did rather spoil the relationship early on, unfortunately.

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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2004, 05:02:17 PM »
Do any of our readers know where I might find pictures of Xenia and Alexanders graves?

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Re: Grand Duchess Ksenia and Grand Duke Alexander
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2004, 06:12:48 PM »
There's a site online (not findagrave) that I found a photo on and now I can't remember it OR find the photo (somewhere on my computer). I got this one from Xenia's bio:



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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2005, 03:02:49 PM »
Years ago,  I was in a used book store and saw a small blueish green book in the section labeled Russia.  I pulled it off the shelf and it was THE RELGION OF LOVE by GD Alexander who was married to Xenia, a sister of Nicholas II, and, a cousin, because his father was GD Michael, who was the brother of Alex. II.

I thought,  well,  I'm not sure I'll ever read it... But the price  was "cheap" and since I was buying a lot, one more book  didn't matter.

I placed it on my shelf and never thought much about it.

The other day, as I was taking it out of a box --- yes,  I'm still unboxing books-- I cam across the little book.  I looked inside and notice the previous owner had taped some newpaper clippings in the book along with the book being signed by him and mentions Mrs. E. Sheppard dined with him on the 5th of July 1929 in Paris
So,  I thought I'd run the newspaper clips.  They show bites and pieces of his life.

Here is the first part of the first article dated 13 Oct 1929:



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"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

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Re: Grand Duchess Ksenia and Grand Duke Alexander
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2005, 03:10:44 PM »


« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by AGRBear »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2005, 03:14:08 PM »
What a great find, right in your own home, Bear. Have you started reading the book yet?
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Re: Grand Duchess Ksenia and Grand Duke Alexander
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2005, 03:24:57 PM »
No I haven't.

Let me flip open to a page at random.  There the previous owner has underlined the following p. 121:
"73. The religion of love asks humanity to give up the habit of judging and criticizing it's fellow beings."  

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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2005, 03:36:40 PM »
p. 132:

"The religion of love gives you another chance to find your happiness;  be the friend and confidant of the soul that follows and protects your life; do not estrange it through fear of superiority.  Believe me, these souls wish to come into touch with  you."

GD Alexander Michaelovich
THE RELGION OF LOVE
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2005, 03:39:18 PM »
"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

Joubert, Pensees, No. 152

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Re: Grand Duchess Ksenia and Grand Duke Alexander
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2005, 03:52:09 PM »
Photo was taken before 1902, I assume, since the last two children are not shown....  [Anyone have the whole photo and one with better quality?]



GD Alexander Michaelovich b. 1866 d. 1933 m. 1894 to GD Xenia, sister to Nicholas II.  They gave issue to:
1. Irina b. 1893 d. 1970 m. Prince Felix Youssouupov b. 1887 d. 1967  Issue:
       1) Irina b. 1915 d. 1983
2. Andrei b. 1897 d. 1981
3. Feodor b. 1898 d. 1968
4. Nikita b. 1900 d. 1974
5. Dmitri b. 1901 d. 1980
6. Rostislav b. 1902 d. 1978 [not shown above]
7. Vasiliy b. 1907 d. 1989 [no shown above]


GD Alexander was the son of GD Michael [Mikhail] b. 1831 d. 1909.  GD  Alexander  was the grandson of Nikolas I b. 1796 d. 1855.

GD Alexander's  mother was Olga Fedorovna, dau. of Leopld I, GD of Baden.

Are there photographs of  Alexander and Xenia or their children already posted on any of the threads?  Or, does anyone have any they'd like to share?

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"What is true by lamplight is not always true by sunlight."

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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2005, 06:00:39 PM »
Thanks for sharing excerpts from the book with us, Bear.  Sounds like Sandro would've had a career as a spiritual self-help guru in today's era.  ;)

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Re: Grand Duchess Ksenia and Grand Duke Alexander
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2005, 03:57:27 PM »
 :)

Someone who I have greatly admired and who I have just recently finished a book about is Grand Duchess Xenia, Nicholas II's sister.

I can't seem to find too many pictures of her however...just the one from the costume ball and the pic on the front of her biography. :(

I'm hoping that some of you out there can help me by posting any pictures you might have - I'd appreciate it very much indeed!  :D
Thanks in advance!

Janet Rasmussen
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« Reply #59 on: April 07, 2005, 08:20:35 PM »
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:)

Someone who I have greatly admired and who I have just recently finished a book about is Grand Duchess Xenia, Nicholas II's sister.

I can't seem to find too many pictures of her however...just the one from the costume ball and the pic on the front of her biography. :(

I'm hoping that some of you out there can help me by posting any pictures you might have - I'd appreciate it very much indeed!  :D
Thanks in advance

Janet Rasmussen


Can you suggest any books about GD Xenia?