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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2006, 08:51:39 AM »

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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2006, 08:18:29 AM »
One more time pretty Marie Therese:





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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2006, 12:14:20 PM »
Particularly his 4 eldest children Franz Ferdinand, Otto, Ferdinand Karl and Margarethe Sophie. How did the siblings get along with one another? I would especially like to know more about Otto.

What role and influence did they have in the Imperial Court?



Also a discussion of how they related to younger sisters, Maria Annunziata and Elisabeth.

Of course would love to see photos of the children as youngsters.  ;D

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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2006, 04:25:27 PM »
Karl Ludwig (1833-1896)

m.(1) 1856 Margaretha of Saxony (1840-1858)
children: none

(2) 1862 Maria Annunciata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1843-1871)
children:
Franz Ferdinand Karl Ludwig Joseph (1863-1914); m. 1900 Sophie Chotek cr Herzogin von Hohenberg in 1905  

Otto Franz Joseph Karl Ludwig Maria (1865-1906); m. 1886 Maria Josepha of Saxony (1867-1944) [Otto was apparently a pretty nasty fellow. His marriage wasn't a happy one at all. It was his son, Karl, who became Emperor upon the death of Franz Joseph. Karl was canonized in recent years. Marie Josepha basically acted as de facto Empress in later years, after Sisi's death, since Sophie wouldn't have an official role and Otto was next in line from FF's marriage in 1900 until Otto's death in 1906. MJ was the daughter of King George of Saxony & Infanta Maria Anna of Portugal. Her brother married the Austrian Archduchess Louise who famously bolted from her husband & children and later obtained a divorce.]

Ferdinand Karl Ludwig Joseph Johann Maria (1868-1915); m.(morganatically) 1909 Bertha Czuber
 
Margarete Sophie Marie Annunciata Theresia Caroline Luise Josephe Johanna (1870-1902); m.1893 Albrecht, Duke of Württemberg

(3) 1873 Maria Teresa of Portugal (1855-1944)

Maria Annunciata Adelheid Theresia Michaela Karoline Luise Pia Ignatia (1876-1961) [Maria Annunciata was once engaged to Seegfried (?) of Bavaria but the engagement was broken off, I think because of the mental instability of the prospective groom. Neither of them married though they both lived for about 50 more years.]
 
Elisabeth Amalia Eugenia Maria Theresie Karoline Luise Josepha (1878- 1960); m.1903 Aloys of Liechtenstein


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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2006, 04:55:15 AM »
Karl Ludwig (1833-1896)

m.(1) 1856 Margaretha of Saxony (1840-1858)
children:
Franz Ferdinand Karl Ludwig Joseph (1863-1914); m. 1900 Sophie Chotek cr Herzogin von Hohenberg in 1905 

Otto Franz Joseph Karl Ludwig Maria (1865-1906); m. 1886 Maria Josepha of Saxony (1867-1944) [Otto was apparently a pretty nasty fellow. His marriage wasn't a happy one at all. It was his son, Karl, who became Emperor upon the death of Franz Joseph. Karl was canonized in recent years. Marie Josepha basically acted as de facto Empress in later years, after Sisi's death, since Sophie wouldn't have an official role and Otto was next in line from FF's marriage in 1900 until Otto's death in 1906. MJ was the daughter of King George of Saxony & Infanta Maria Anna of Portugal. Her brother married the Austrian Archduchess Louise who famously bolted from her husband & children and later obtained a divorce.]


(2) 1862 Maria Annunciata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1843-1871)
children:
Ferdinand Karl Ludwig Joseph Johann Maria (1868-1915); m.(morganatically) 1909 Bertha Czuber
 
Margarete Sophie Marie Annunciata Theresia Caroline Luise Josephe Johanna (1870-1902); m.1893 Albrecht, Duke of Württemberg

(3) 1873 Maria Teresa of Portugal (1855-1944)

Maria Annunciata Adelheid Theresia Michaela Karoline Luise Pia Ignatia (1876-1961) [Maria Annunciata was once engaged to Seegfried (?) of Bavaria but the engagement was broken off, I think because of the mental instability of the prospective groom. Neither of them married though they both lived for about 50 more years.]
 
Elisabeth Amalia Eugenia Maria Theresie Karoline Luise Josepha (1878- 1960); m.1903 Aloys of Liechtenstein


There's a link to a thread on the daughters:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,5455.0.html

and to Marie Joseph, wife of Otto:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,5106.0.html

and to KL's son Ferdinand

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,4584.0.html

Franz Ferdinand and Otto were Maria Annunciata of Bourbon-Two Sicilies sons! :)

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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2006, 05:23:51 AM »
Right. When FF was born Archduchess Margarethe Caroline had been dead for over 5 years.  :-\
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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2006, 07:03:32 AM »
That's what one gets when trying to cut and paste info when sleepy!  :P I've moved them to the right spot.
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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2006, 01:57:33 PM »
Also what was the cause of Otto's death? He died fairly young, as did his younger sister and brother. 

Ferdinand suffered from tuberculosis and Margarethe Sophie died after an appendix operation. Her death was very tragic, because she had six little children.
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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2006, 04:33:34 PM »
Are there any portraits of Karl Ludwig or his wives?

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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2006, 02:31:19 AM »
Wonderful pictures, I always have the feeling pictures of Archduke Otto are quite rare, I haven´t seen many.

Actually photos of Otto aren't rare. I have lots and lots of them.

Oh, Marc: I have some portraits of Karl Ludwig's wives at home. I'll post them later.
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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2006, 02:44:07 AM »
Maybe I only don´t have the right books, I suppose, I always saw more portraits of Franz Ferdinand than of Otto ::)
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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2006, 12:38:37 AM »

Hello, everyone.
I am interested in Maria Teresa(1855-1944), archduke Karl Ludwig's fourth wife. I know she was a good stepmother. and she supported Franz Ferdinand's morganatic marriage.
but no more information about her.
I would like to learn more about her story, character etc.... (and After Empire, how she lives?)

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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2006, 04:24:35 AM »
Seriya, we have at this forum a good number of people with a deep knowledge about the Hasbourgs and his wives. I just can provide you a brief information about Maria Teresa, but I´m sure that you will obtain so much than my little contribution to your thread on this nice woman ;)

Maria Teresa of Bragança, infanta of Portugal, was born on August 1855 in Kleinheubach, Bavaria. Her father was the king Miguel I of Portugal, who has been forced to abdicate at Evoramonte after three years of civil war gained by his elder brother, king Pedro IV. Miguel was sent into exile in 1834 and, in 1851, when he was already forty-eight, he married a twenty years old princess, Adelheid of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenberg, by whom he had a son and six daughters.



Queen Adelheid was a woman of character, who managed very well her situation and succeeded in securing advantegeus marriages for her six daughters. The first daughter, Maria das Neves, married the spanish prince Alfonso Jaime, Duke of San Jaime, carlist pretender to the throne; the second daughter was our Maria Teresa; the third daughter, Maria Josefa, married duke Karl Theodor in Bavaria; the fourth daughter, Aldegundes, married Enrico of Parma; the fifth daughter, Maria Ana, married the grand duke of Luxemburg Guillaume IV and the sixth daughter, Maria Antonia, became the second wife of Robert of Parma.

Maria Teresa was a pretty girl aged eighteen when she was married to Karl Ludwig, forty years old and two times widow. He had lost a first wife, Margaretha of Saxony, and a second wife, Maria Annunziata of of Naples. By Maria Annunziata he had three sons and a daughter. When Maria Teresa married Karl Ludwig, the eldest son of her husband, archduke Franz Ferdinand, was ten years old; Otto Franz Josef was eight years old; Ferdinand Karl Ludwig was six years old and little Margaretha Sophia was just three years old.

Maria Teresa has not a happy marriage but she was a lovely step-mother to the four children, and they became very fond of her. Franz Ferdinand was devoted of his step-mother. The children also loved their step-sisters, the two daughters of Maria Teresa, Annunziata and Elisabeth. You´re right when you says that Maria Teresa was very supportive to her step-son Franz Ferdinand when he announced he was madly in love with Sophia Chotek. When the morganatical wedding took place, Maria Teresa, with her daughters Annunziata and Elisabeth, was there.

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Re: Archduke Karl Ludwig (1833-96),his wives and family
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2006, 01:14:54 PM »
Maria Teresa and Karl Ludwig




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« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2006, 11:37:42 AM »
He became very jelous and Marie Therese had to suffer a  lot from this. There is a story that he even whipped her a few days before his death.

I hope nobody will be too angry with me digging out this old thread as I think it is really interesting.
I have a question: Where did you read the whipping-story, Marie? I have never heared about if before.