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ilyala

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #180 on: December 29, 2005, 05:36:15 PM »
too many times the wives are blamed for their husbands' infidelities. i agree that a man's affection must be kept, but some men's attention cannot be... i believe charles 2nd was one of those men.

palatine

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #181 on: January 01, 2006, 02:48:29 PM »
Mary of Modena, unlike her sister-in-law Catherine, was not a doormat where her husband’s infidelities were concerned.  She confronted James several times over his mistresses while they lived in England, and succeeded in having Catherine Sedley sent away from court.  Although James learned to appreciate his wife during their exile and stopped taking mistresses, Mary remained suspicious.  Liselotte wrote that:

“At Marly I went hunting on horseback, and the dear King and our King followed the chase in a carriage with the Queen of England.  I am sure she wishes that her husband may never see any ladies more beautiful than I am!  Then her mind will be at rest and she won’t be troubled with jealousy, and dear King James won’t have his ears boxed.”

Mary was willing to criticize James for other things as well.  Liselotte recorded an argument that James and Mary had while on a visit to Saint-Cloud:

“Last Friday the poor King and Queen were here.  … I overheard a dialogue in the carriage which amused me very much.  Monsieur was talking as usual about his jewels and furniture, and at length said to the King:  ‘And has your Majesty, who had such great wealth, not built and furnished some beautiful home?’  ‘Money?’ exclaimed the Queen ‘he never had any.  I never knew him to have a halfpenny.’  To which the King replied:  ‘I had lots, but I never bought gems or furniture with it.  Nor did I build palaces.  I spent it all on making great ships and cannons and guns.’  ‘Yes,’ said the Queen, ‘and a lot of good they did you.  Why, they have all been used against you!’”

Louis XIV made much of Mary and James, frequently inviting them to visit him at Versailles and Marly.  Louis also encouraged his children and grandchildren to befriend the Old Pretender and Louise-Marie, la Consolatrice.  After James's death, Mary hoped to arrange marriages between her children and members of the French royal family, but it didn't work out.



Modena1

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #182 on: November 12, 2006, 12:22:36 AM »
Mary of Modena.

I’m not going to write about Henrietta Maria or Catharine of Braganza as queens of Scotland, as they never set foot in that country. At least I don’t think so. Henrietta may have accompanied her husband when he visited Edinburgh to be crowned in 1633, but I’ve a feeling she stayed behind in London.

However Mary of Modena, the last queen consort of Scotland did, though not while she was queen. She was there from 1679-1682

The Duke and Duchess of York had to lie low after the anti-catholic hysteria that swept the country as a result of the supposed Papist Plots. First they were in Brussels, but in 1679 Charles appointed his brother to look after his interests in Scotland. The Palace of Holyrood House in Edinburgh was refurbished for the occasion, the current state of the palace dating largely from those years. One of the rooms still has a set of portraits commissioned by James of all the kings of Scotland from Kenneth MacAlpin.

Things got off to a shaky start as they had had such a bad reputation in England. The Duke invited an old cavalier, Tom Dalziel to dine with them, and Mary refused to sit down in the presence of someone of inferior rank. “Madam“, said the old man, ”I have dined at a table where your father might have stood at my back”. He was referring to the Emperor Leopold, whom the Duke of Modena would have been obliged to attend as an officer of the household.

Well they must have laughed it off, because they really did quite well. They carried on the persecution of Presbyterians, but the Scots were getting used to this by now. James got on well with many of the Scottish nobles and gentry, who were later on to offer help to his son.

Many years later (after the Glorious Revolution and James’s death at St Germain) Mary’s son, who was known as the Chevalier de St. George made three attempts to incite a rebellion in Scotland. Mary was involved in drumming up financial support for these ventures at Versailles.

The first (1708) was in many ways the most promising, with the full support of Louis XIV. James Jr. took a squadron of French ships to Scotland. However the French lost interest at the last minute (perhaps on orders from Louis), and they never landed.
The second was the famous 1715 rebellion. It’s initial success, profiting from the confusion after Queen Anne’s death, had already turned sour by the time James arrived (suffering from flu, which didn’t help). In 1719 another fleet, this time paid for by Spain was wrecked on the way to Scotland. A small rebellion in the highlands was easily squashed.

Mary didn’t live to see the failure of the third attempt: she died of cancer in 1718.

Mary has often had a bad press – but I like her! She was good friends with Liselotte at Versailles, and corresponded with her when she was not there. Liselotte was a good judge of character – she didn’t like pretentious or bigoted people! Liselotte also wrote regularly to the Electress Sophia and later to Caroline princess of Wales. She didn’t mind what side people were on.

She was the most beautiful queen of either country since Mary Queen of Scots (Elizabeth Woodville in England?). None of her successors came anywhere near in my opinion.

It seems to me her political involvement is overrated. She was not able to restrain James in his more foolish decisions. James preferred his ugly mistresses to her.

Modena is pronounced “Moddin-er“ incidentally.


James didn't prefer his "ugly" mistresses to her, he loved her very deeply. It has been said he didn't ever really love his mistresses, Churchill and Sedlley.

Modena1

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #183 on: November 12, 2006, 12:23:49 AM »
Her full name in Italian was Maria Beatrice Eleanora Anne Margarita Isabella d'Este, but I think we'll stick with Mary Beatrice.  ;)

Anybody know how "D'Este" is pronounced?

palatine

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #184 on: November 12, 2006, 07:20:52 PM »
Anybody know how "D'Este" is pronounced?

As far as I know, it's pronounced just like it looks.  :) 

Modena1

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #185 on: November 13, 2006, 10:37:27 AM »
Anybody know how "D'Este" is pronounced?

As far as I know, it's pronounced just like it looks.  :) 

East?
Dest?
D'est-ay?

;)

palatine

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #186 on: November 13, 2006, 10:56:38 AM »
East?
Dest?
D'est-ay?

;)

The English people called her Madam East when she first arrived in London.  I think "D'est-ay" is the correct pronunciation.   :)

bell_the_cat

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #187 on: November 13, 2006, 04:10:09 PM »


James didn't prefer his "ugly" mistresses to her, he loved her very deeply. It has been said he didn't ever really love his mistresses, Churchill and Sedlley.

I wrote this ages ago Palatine!  :D

I realise now that there was a switchover. I think now that he preferred his mistresses until about 1680 (though ugly is maybe overdoing it, they were by no means beauties), and thereafter preferred MB. He was approaching 50 years old at this stage. It maybe that the forced removal to Brussels and then to Scotland at this time coincided with the growing appreciation of his wife (who was let's not forget 25 years younger than he).

Modena1

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #188 on: November 14, 2006, 05:32:37 PM »


James didn't prefer his "ugly" mistresses to her, he loved her very deeply. It has been said he didn't ever really love his mistresses, Churchill and Sedlley.

I wrote this ages ago Palatine!  :D

I realise now that there was a switchover. I think now that he preferred his mistresses until about 1680 (though ugly is maybe overdoing it, they were by no means beauties), and thereafter preferred MB. He was approaching 50 years old at this stage. It maybe that the forced removal to Brussels and then to Scotland at this time coincided with the growing appreciation of his wife (who was let's not forget 25 years younger than he).

That was me, Bell! I was just reading a whole lot of old threads the other night!!!  :D

bell_the_cat

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Re: Queen Consorts
« Reply #189 on: November 15, 2006, 01:38:54 AM »
Sorry, Palatine and Modena,

I was so shocked to be rereading my old efforts! :D