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« Reply #675 on: August 27, 2008, 06:29:50 PM »
Indeed...I agree. It becames too petty so I don't think about it too.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter.

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« Reply #677 on: September 10, 2008, 01:17:40 PM »
They looked smart. Camilla looked nice with big hats ! Looked like a similar design from her wedding...

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The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
« Reply #678 on: September 16, 2008, 12:16:39 PM »
During a recent visit to the Prince of Wales' website, I was marveling at the enormous infrastructure / network that he has created within his Court / Household.  I don't mean his core courtiers (private secretary, press officer, etc.), but the wider court.  Over the years, he has assembled a huge staff that manages his broad spectrum of initiatives - ranging from the Prince's Charities (20 separate charitable foundations) to the semi-corporate commercial efforts of the Duchy of Cornwall, to the large number of charities and other organizations of which he is patron or president.  And some of these initiatives stand at the fringe of controversial or political topics.

To my knowledge, no previous Prince of Wales has created nor sustained such a massive or varied organization as the incumbant.  Most simply undertake normal royal engagements in support of the monarch, supplemented by granting patronages in whatever areas interest them.

It got me to thinking.  When Charles succeeds the throne - what happens to all of these initiatives, institutions, etc.?  It will be neither time permitting, nor probably appropriate, for King Charles III / George VII to continue to undertake all of these activities while reigning as monarch.

The easy answer of course is that William - as the future Prince of Wales - will assume his father's roles in these organizations.  Would William want to take on all of these duties?  I can't imagine he is as passionate or dedicated to each and every one of them as his father. 

Has Charles created a sustainable empire - or one that will fade away from royal controls in due course?

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« Reply #679 on: September 16, 2008, 12:40:15 PM »
well it was in the British tabloids today that Charles wants to make Camilla Queen. And not a lot of people here are happy about it .                                                                          heres a link -   http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article25344.ece

he's could be making himself unpopular before he even reaches the throne

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Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
« Reply #680 on: September 16, 2008, 03:23:52 PM »
I think most would pass to william and some to Harry on his succession, as this would form part of their duties to the nation. As to Queen Camilla there would be riots is that was to happen and I think he knows it. Diana has a long shadow and the British a long memory and an unforgiving one at that.
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« Reply #681 on: September 17, 2008, 12:09:39 PM »
i totally agree with you Michael. perhaps if William gets the throne instead of Charles he might actually propose to Kate.

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« Reply #682 on: September 17, 2008, 02:31:14 PM »
Not to be a broken record, but unless he dies before his mother, Charles will succeed the throne as King.  There is no alternative legally. 

Charles cannot legally simply abdicate.  If he wishes to do so, he must convince the Parliaments of the UK, Australia, Canada, and all the other Commonwealth realms to first pass separate laws allowing him to - the same way his great uncle did.  And those laws would simultaneously change the separate crown successions. 

Given the republican sentiments in some of those realms, it would be very likely that one - or more - of those realms would take that opportunity to abandon the monarchy altogether.  Or - one or more of the realms might not choose William but instead select someone else.  More today than back in 1936, the result would quite possibly be the end of the personal union of the crowns - and possibly the end of the Commonwealth itself.  Charles knows all this only too well.

And - at least as of today, when Charles succeeds the throne, Camilla will automatically, legally become Queen.  British law doesn't recognize a morganic marriage.  A King's wife is a Queen, no differently than the wife of a Duke is a Duchess, or the wife of a Mr. is a Mrs.

So, if people don't want that to happen, they had better start petitioning their PMs to get a bill passed that would create an alternative title  - and it better pass before the present Queen dies, because trying to strip Camilla of the title once it happens would be very messy indeed.

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Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
« Reply #683 on: September 17, 2008, 02:38:28 PM »
i agree looks like here in England our monarchy may have a rocky future!

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« Reply #684 on: September 17, 2008, 03:20:19 PM »
Well, in the big scheme of things, is it really going to be that big of a deal?  The Queen is 82, and there is a good possibliity she could live another 10-15 years.  There is also a potential - if she is anyting like her mother - for it to be another 20 years. 

And by then, Charles and Camilla will be in their late 70s / early 80s themselves.  Not to be morbid, but there is a distinct possiblity that one - or both - of them might not still be living at that time, which makes the whole point moot.  Don't think Charles didn't point that out to the Queen when seeking her consent for his second marriage. 

If C&C do succeed as King and Queen, their reign would be quite short; more of a Edward VII than a Elizabeth II.  And in another 15-20 years, we will have become even more accustomed to C&C , and less opposed to their succession or worried about their titles or her status.  Anyway, that's how it seems to me.


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Re: Charles, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cornwall
« Reply #686 on: September 22, 2008, 12:31:55 AM »
I like these 2. They had a hard time in their life. Give up their true love for eachother for the will of the country. Its sad, what happened, Princess Diana was a lovely person, she did not deserved to die. But Charles and Camilla doesn't deserve the hatred/deslike afterwards.

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« Reply #687 on: September 22, 2008, 01:52:21 AM »
They had a hard time in their life. Give up their true love for eachother for the will of the country.

Have they split up then?

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Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
« Reply #688 on: September 22, 2008, 04:51:39 AM »
OMG    you cant just change this or change that      that will destroy the monarchy    let Camilla become queen   she should be queen legally morally and rightly   I can understand why its hard to associate her with the princess of wales title  because Diana was to closely associated with it  but  come on people   I like Charles  he  is a little eccentric but he means well and he has done very well for great Britain   I admire him

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Re: The Prince of Wales' "Initiatives" after succeeding the throne
« Reply #689 on: September 22, 2008, 08:46:26 AM »
The problem with that is the British people who have very long memories and have not forgiven Charles or his wife for the actions whilst Diana was alive. Even some years on there will be many who do not accept her as Queen and I suppose Charles will need the support of the Church, who would not be happy with a divorced woman as Queen Consort, and of course the heads of the Commonwealth who also have a say in the matter as Charles will be head of state of many members of the Commonwealth. If they say no and also the Church reject her he would have a serious problem coupled with the hostility of the people and may have to title her as he has already suggested.

The British expect a very high standard from the Royal Family and Charles simply did not live up to this in relation to his first wife. Had he conducted himself with better morals he would not be in the situation he is and has only himself to blame. Diana was from the peoples point of view the best thing that ever happened to the Windsor's and of course he managed to blow that completely. He must take responsibility for his actions and follow the will of the people by whoms consent he would reign.
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