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Baby_Tsarevich

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« on: August 29, 2005, 01:26:43 AM »
How was Alexei's education, I know he didn't like school much, but can someone explain more about it to me (I need this for my site)

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2005, 09:26:40 AM »
Like the girls, Alexei had tutors. They learned all the secular subjects (math, languages, history, etc.) and I'm sure that dancing, music, and anything else they needed socially was taught by instructors. Alexei spoke mainly French and Russian, which isn't surprising considering how much time he spend with Gilliard. Gilliard seems to have been his main tutor.

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2005, 09:34:39 AM »
I think generally he enjoyed his education, although like most little boys he was very naughty.

If you read Sydney Gibbes biography and also Gillard's books they talk about having him for a student, Alexei could be a little glutton according to Gibbes and would eat sweets during lessons, much to his dismay.

Once Alexei tried to cut Gibbes hair and Sydney (Father Nicholas in later life,) had to pin him to the ground, and Alexei would come up with the most unusual questions and games.

But I think as he got older, he got along better with his tutors after all he was an inteligent boy and wanted very much to please his beloved Papa.

His education itself was three languages, (Russian, English and French,) Maths, and history. Later he would learn about battle stratergies while at Mogliev with his Papa, but he had a Russian Tutor, (his name eludes me, I'm so sorry) a French Tutor (Pierre Gilliard,) and an English Tutor, (Sydney Gibbes.)

I hope it helps. ;)

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2005, 12:02:54 PM »
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Gilliard seems to have been his main tutor.


He wasn't. Petrov was the head-teacher.

Anyway, there are different accounts about Alexei's education. A book I read ages ago had a quote from someone in Yekaterinburg... It said Alexei and the girls hadn't read Pushkin, Dostoyevsky or something. Granted, it was a 1980s book, so who knows. But then there are many that claim their education was good. I'm sure it's between the two.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2005, 12:03:42 PM »
Had he lived into manhood...and WWI not swept away his family and throne....the future Czar Alexei Nicholaievitch would have focused less on traditional school work...and more on the traditions of the military.....

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2005, 02:19:58 PM »
Thanx everyone ;D

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2006, 11:09:23 AM »
It seems his illness interupted his education at times, and he was rather spoiled, so in this sense his education was not so good, but I think he got a good education in my opinion. He would however have been more raised in the traditions of the military, so this would have been an important part of his education, although he would have had to be more careful than some other males of his family, given his illness.

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2006, 01:00:48 AM »
Don't forget education in that time wasn't the same as today. Teachers and tutors were strong figures of authority. Children had to keep very quiet and listen to them for hours.

Today, we make kids participate a lot more in their education. They have projects, they work in team, they learn 2 subjects at a time ( like, mixing geography, french and art to do an oral presentation)

I think that Alexei's education surely wasn't that bad, considering he spend huge time periods out of the classroom because of his illness.

Weither he was spoiled, hard to mannage in class or late in his education in general depends a lot of the opinion of people who wrote about this. I think it's a matter of time and place. If somebody was to make Alexei learn in today's classrooms, maybe he would be considered as an angel.

Actually, I think children learned faster and better in "old times", because they were expected to perform better and were indeed able to. I think too many adults today consider children as stupid or lazy, which they are not more then before. It's simply a matter of education.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2006, 08:09:32 AM »
The education often have big hole during the time when they were not in Alexanderpalace (usually summer/autum)and when he was ill. In Pierre Gilliard's book Pierre often feel sorry about that A. was not abel to study or when he did could not study fo 100% couse they have to be carefull etc... I believe he did not study so much language as Grandusces did. Hhe satred his school litlle bit late I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.. :P

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2006, 08:19:56 AM »
Yes, it does depend on people's opinion, and also on the circumstances he knew back then, such as the tutors as you mentioned, and the undoubted later prevalence of military traditions, and also his illness. Education was different back then, especially perhaps for royalty, and it must be said his illness was a factor. He often was not being educated like he would have been otherwise which is understandable. He seems not to have been the most enthusiastic scholar in the world, but that's often the case with kids.  Different circumstances equal different things, and it is a wise observation to say, it's just everybdy's opinion. ;)
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2006, 04:42:49 PM »
I've been wondering for a while, how much math would Alexei have been taught? It'd would be probably the thing he needed the least(out of all his other lessons), so I also don't know what things he'd learn.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2006, 09:03:20 PM »
Personally, I'd think math of some sort would be more of an important subject. Even if it wasn't though, I am sure he was taught enough to grasp the concept.  :)

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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2006, 10:22:40 PM »
Maybe it was an important subject. I'm just saying that because as Tsar I'm assuming he would have needed to know languages and history and such more than things like pythagorean therom. But again that's only an assumption.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2006, 11:19:51 PM »
^Relevance?

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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2006, 01:27:58 PM »
Alexei's education was very poor, by the standards of previous heirs to the throne. The Tsarevich Alexander Nikolaevich (Alexander II) had the great Russian poet Zhukovsky as his tutor. Even the Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich (Nicholas II) had the great Russian philosophical thinker Konstantin Pobedonostsev as his chief tutor. And Alexei Nikolaevich had as his tutors... three total unknowns to Russian (or any other) letters, named Petrov, Gilliard, and Gibbes. Only one of them Russian by birth, by the way, and he in his dotage, by all accounts. No, there's no mistaking it, Nicholas and Alexandra were afraid to demand too much of their sickly son and heir. They were also intensely suspicious of true Russian intellectuals (who generally had liberal tendencies, believing in the rights of man, civil liberties, and all that kind of democratic "nonsense"). So even though they had an absolute wealth of Russian geniuses to choose from at the turn of the twentieth century, which witnessed what can only be called an explosion in literary and philosophical talent (the poets Aleksandr Blok, Andrei Belyi, Vladimir Soloviev, and many others spring to mind) they chose... Petrov, Gilliard and Gibbes. Totally middle-class, middle-of-the-road nonentities. Internationally unknown. Unknown even in their own countries, in their own fields of expertise. Yes, true enough, decent human beings (as no doubt Blok, Belyi and Soloviev were decent human beings) but not exactly what you'd expect intellectually from the tutors of the Heir to the throne of the Tsar of All the Russias, to put it mildly... But enough said!
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