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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2008, 08:32:21 PM »
I've never had any anger over the issue - quite the contrary. You have an interest in this area which is commendable. The reality is though that there will be no restoration as there is no mass public wish or demands for it. Sadly the Romanovs so badly discredited themselves before the revolution they have no substantial support decades later. I guess you have to do some research to look into how few people were interested in the tercentenary in 1913 in St. Petersburg. Nicholas II even remarked about how cold the reception was of those who even bothered to turn out. They are long gone, interesting historically for all sorts of reasons but firmly in the past. Small organisations pushing for any issue usually do more harm than good in republics. Monarchist organisation become political and that is unfortunate in the extreme.     

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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2008, 01:02:19 AM »
Ms. Davidson it is always interesting to read your opinions and note your empathy for others. It is an obscure view to describe the Soviet Union as an outlaw state. I wonder whether the huge number of countries which officially recognised it for decades would ever agree with your summation?

Hi Dmitri: The observation that the USSR was an outlaw state does not come from me - and I apologize that I don't have the time to look up any sources for you. My point is, it's not only my opinion, although as you point out, it's certainly not everyone's.

If you would like to discuss this, it would need to be on another thread.

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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2008, 01:22:38 AM »
My apologies , Mrs Davidson

Greetings, Some American  Generals recently have been willing to accept UK Titles,  l was using Olympic medals as an example , lets say l was Audie Murphy there was a take over, coup the new group said all American medals prior to our new Government are now void and l fled to England, have l lost the medal of honour ?   l think not, because America doesnot have Royal Titles l am using some thing else as an example, an award that is dear to America, just imagine taking that away and telling the reciepients '' TOO BAD'' , can you imagine all those enlisted imperial soldiers whom fought at the front against Germany had to throw thier medals away because some bald despot in a leather cap forced it on them with his horse  '''Trotting mate'' .

You were qucik to correct me on that you are Mrs Davdson, not Miss that just an example how people want thier correct title used !

Stepan


Hi Stepan:

Thanks for your explanation, I understand your point.

By the way, I just wanted to clarify that no apologies are or were necessary - I was making a simple request as to how I'm addressed. Unfortunately, what we write in the Forum cannot convey our tone of voice or other nuances, and for not taking that into account, I owe you one.

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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2008, 05:39:18 AM »
Privet Lisa,

Here is the latest info , full report on the Australian Tour of HIH in Russian and some english. Please note how HIH is refered to in the Russian community, on the commemoration stones ect


http://russianwelfare.org.au/pdf/imperial.pdf

http://www.riuo.org/SUCCESSION_ENGLISH.pdf


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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2008, 06:45:33 AM »
 HERE IS AN EXCELLENT ARTICLE ON WHO IS WHO IN THE HEAD OF HOUSE FROM MOSCOW PATRIARCHY


http://www.monarhist.ru/news2007/news_04_12.htm

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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2008, 06:48:55 AM »
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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2008, 12:34:23 PM »
I wish I could read Russian!  Does anyone have a translation of the above two documents?

Thanks!

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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2008, 12:46:44 PM »
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Thank you again Macedonsky,

Is this correct?


•      Her Imperial Highness Helena Vladimirovna and her issue, (since she married equal and orthodox) Here it should comes HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia but he renounce to his orthodox faith and married a catholic.

•      Regarding Their Imperial Highness Grand Duchesses Vera Constantinova, Maria Alexandrovna, Maria and Kira Kirillovna. They married equal but they renounce to their orthodox faith after they married to a man of another faith therefore they lost their corresponding rights to the Russian throne so their issue too.

•      Regarding Princess Catherine Ioannova she married a noble person and not a royal or an equal house and she also renounce her orthodox fait and married to a catholic noble man. She also loses her rights to the Russian throne.

Therefore I understand the corresponding list to the Russian Throne regarding Maria Vladirowna it should look like this;

1st George Mihailovich and his future issue are in the line.

2nd Olga Constantinovna and her issue, ( since she married equal and orthodox ) Here is come from HM King Constantine, he made a orthodox and equal marriage, but his heir Prince Paul married a Commoner, therefore regarding HM King Constantine will be followed by his other sons and daughters if they respect the succession law.

Please feel free to correct me.

Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia did not renounce his Orthodox faith. He did marry a Catholic the first time around, but by your logic someone who marries outside of the faith ceases to be Orthodox?


I thought the only country that barred Catholics from the line of succession was England?
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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2008, 06:59:54 PM »
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Thank you again Macedonsky,

Is this correct?


•      Her Imperial Highness Helena Vladimirovna and her issue, (since she married equal and orthodox) Here it should comes HRH Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia but he renounce to his orthodox faith and married a catholic.

•     Regarding Their Imperial Highness Grand Duchesses Vera Constantinova, Maria Alexandrovna, Maria and Kira Kirillovna. They married equal but they renounce to their orthodox faith after they married to a man of another faith therefore they lost their corresponding rights to the Russian throne so their issue too.

•     Regarding Princess Catherine Ioannova she married a noble person and not a royal or an equal house and she also renounce her orthodox faith and married to a catholic noble man. She also loses her rights to the Russian throne.

Therefore I understand the corresponding list to the Russian Throne regarding Maria Vladirowna it should look like this;

1st George Mihailovich and his future issue are in the line.

2nd Olga Constantinovna and her issue, ( since she married equal and orthodox ) Here is come from HM King Constantine, he made a orthodox and equal marriage, but his heir Prince Paul married a Commoner, therefore regarding HM King Constantine will be followed by his other sons and daughters if they respect the succession law.

Please feel free to correct me.

Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia did not renounce his Orthodox faith. He did marry a Catholic the first time around, but by your logic someone who marries outside of the faith ceases to be Orthodox?


I thought the only country that barred Catholics from the line of succession was England?

This may very well be, but I was confused by the reply to the very old post and had to read quite a few on this thread to fully understand the question.

The original comment, by the way, referred to a different Prince Alexander and the context was that the poster said Alexander was excluded because another requirement of the FL was that the heir's mother be Orthodox. So while the UK's succession specifically excludes Catholics or someone married to a Catholic, Russia's might exclude a Catholic mother.

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Re: List of the Line of Succession
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2009, 03:17:52 PM »
There is nothing in the fundamental laws about excluding Catholics.   The emperor and the heir had to be Orthodox ... there is no requirement on other dynasts.  A mother (with the exception of the empress) did not have to be Orthodox.   Grand Duchess Elizabeth and Grand Duchess Marie were Lutheran, allthough Marie converted in 1907.   Elizabeth never did, yet her children had dynastic rights, which Nicholas pointed out when Tatiana married.
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