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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2006, 02:01:10 PM »
Regarding the Duchesses last years. I'm still not completly clear. When did she leave Russia? Why was she living in a hotel annexe? John van der Kiste writes that she had lost everything and was penniless. Did she still have her household? :( :(. Such a sad contrast to such an amazing start.
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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2006, 02:17:02 PM »
Marie Alexandrovna left Russia when she married.  But she certainly lost her russian fortune after 1918, and of course, she also lost her home in Coburg.  I am not even sure if she received a pension from the UK because she was the widow of a British prince.  She had the misfortune to be in Germany what the revolution happened - and to lose her Russian appanage, and whatever benefits she had as the widow of a reigning duke.  She probably did not have her own money ...
Regarding the Duchesses last years. I'm still not completly clear. When did she leave Russia? Why was she living in a hotel annexe? John van der Kiste writes that she had lost everything and was penniless. Did she still have her household? :( :(. Such a sad contrast to such an amazing start.
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« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2006, 02:20:25 PM »
Thank you Marlene. I was under the impression she was still spending a lot of her time in Russia and left shortly before the revolution. I wonder what happened to her amazing jewels which had once ruffled QV's feathers!! :D
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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2006, 04:53:22 PM »
Many of her jewels were passed onto her daughters. Until fairly recently, her ruby parure was in the hands of the Hohenlohe-Langenberg family (the descendants of Sandra) but I think at least part of it was recently sold.

http://www.royal-magazin.de/german/hohenlohe/hohenlohe.htm

Missy received some of her pearls, I believe.

She held onto her wedding dress and her granddaughter Kyra wore it at her wedding to Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia.

Her situation might have improved had she lived longer--until the aftermath of WW2, Duke Charles Edward lived pretty comfortably after reaching an agreement with the German government, as did most of the deposed royalty.

It seems the loss of so much around her, especially so many relatives but also the financial and material side, was finally too much for her. Missy writes very movingly of how she found her mother so changed, physically and emotionally, when she was able to see her again, not too long before she died. Marie must've felt very adrift--she'd never really considered herself part of the British royals (though her children did), and her adopted country (Germany) was an entirely changed place and her native country (Russia) was completely lost to her.
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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2006, 10:11:33 PM »
Can anyone give me a more depth description of what MA was like? I know the basics, but there really is a dearth of information available on her, at least free information.... if anyone has any anecdotes or pictures they could share, that'd be great. I also find it odd that there are so few pictures of her in the early years of her marriage. Anyone have any?

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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #80 on: November 15, 2006, 10:15:35 PM »
You will find information about Marie Alexandrovna in biographies about her daughter, Marie, for example, as well as Marie's own memoirs.  I believe JOhn Wimbles wrote a profile of Marie for Royalty Digest (the publication is not online).   John van der Kiste's bio on Alfred would of course have information about marie Alexandrovna as well.   Other biographies as well ... lots of information to mine, actually.

Can anyone give me a more depth description of what MA was like? I know the basics, but there really is a dearth of information available on her, at least free information.... if anyone has any anecdotes or pictures they could share, that'd be great. I also find it odd that there are so few pictures of her in the early years of her marriage. Anyone have any?
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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2006, 09:15:24 AM »
The book "The Grand Duchesses" has a nice chapter on Marie by Wimbles. 

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« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2006, 10:36:29 AM »
Two pictures of Marie Alexandrovna.


Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh and Saxe-Coburg together with his new wife, Princess Maria Alexandrovna of Russia and his family in-law.
 

I believe this is Marie Alexandrovna in elder-age, but date is unknown any idea?

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« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2006, 03:24:11 PM »
That second pic looks like a composite to me.

Not really relevant to this discussion, but in the new book about the the jewels of the tsars, there is a picture of the ruby and diamond tiara and necklace the Grand Duchess received as a wedding present.  In the caption of the photo is a rather amusing though most likely apocryphal anecdote - that she was very proud of her Russian Imperial heritage and let no one forget that she was the daughter and sister of a tsar, and that she survived the revolution only to die of a heart attack when German officials addressed her as "Frau Coburg".  I had to chuckle at that one...how the mighty are fallen, indeed!

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« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2006, 08:44:22 PM »
Turn of the century, judging by the style.

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« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2006, 08:53:09 PM »
That definatley looks like a composite...and it mustbe a wig, I mean, her hair looks blonde in most pictures of her when she was young...She didn't age well though.

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« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2006, 12:07:32 AM »
That definatley looks like a composite...and it mustbe a wig, I mean, her hair looks blonde in most pictures of her when she was young...She didn't age well though.

i believe her hair turned darker as she grew old. much like queen victoria who was a blonde as a teenager.

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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2006, 07:56:07 AM »

Grand Princess Maria Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh dresses in Russian court dress.

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« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2006, 08:42:42 AM »
That latest picture so kindly posted by royal_netherlands goes a long way towards proving that the 3/4 view is the most flattering pose. 

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Re: Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna, Duchess of Edinburgh and Coburg
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2006, 09:38:57 AM »
Can anyone give their thoughts  on who she resembles the most in that 3/4 pose picture?