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Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« on: August 12, 2005, 10:53:55 PM »
The Nose is a short story written by Nikolai Gogol (1809-1852) and published in St. Petersburg in 1836.  The story is available in most bookstores and libraries as well as online open access.  With the use of a search engine, one can quickly find The Nose online.  

Now, who wants to open the discussion?

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 06:31:15 AM »
Most reading groups have a list of questions to think about when members are reading the book they want to discuss. So, just to get the ball rolling, I have come up with just such a list for "The Nose."

Now, please don't worry: there are no right and wrong answers to any of these questions. This story is like a puzzle with many possible solutions. It allows the reader to form several completely different and even contradictory interpretations. In that sense it is very democratic, in that the reader is free to make choices. You have as much power of interpretation over the characters and setting as the author had power to create them. Keeping all this in mind, (Question 1) can you find places in the text where the author actually gives you the opportunity to fill in the blanks?

2. How would you describe this story? Is it a realistic story, such as a satire about actual social problems and practices? Or is it a fantastic story about a fantastic time and place? Or a fantasy about a real time and place? Or do you think it’s something else entirely? A dream? A joke?

3. Does "The Nose" tell you anything about the city of St. Petersburg? About its special character as an artificial city built by Peter the Great in the middle of the northern marshes? Does this story tell you anything about the structure of society? About the nature of bureaucracy and the imperial government?

4. "The Nose" is set during the reign of Nicholas I. Is there anything in this story that tells you about the character of this tsar or the nature of his reign? Think about Nicholas’ personality and policies. Are they in any way reflected in the characters, settings and events of the story?

5. What kind of person is Major Kovalev? What is odd about him? What is normal, if anything? In your opinion, does he deserve to get his nose back? Did he deserve to lose it in the first place?

6. What do you think about the Nose itself? Is it a symbol or a metaphor, or is it just one fantastic little piece of Petersburg, behaving as fantastically as all the other large and small pieces of Petersburg?

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 12:12:26 PM »
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Does this story tell you anything about the structure of society? About the nature of bureaucracy and the imperial government?


To me the story was definitely a satire about actual social problems and practices.  There appears to be a great deal of importance attached to rank.  Kovaliov "can never forget for a moment" that he is a collegiate assessor.  He refers to himself as "Major" Kovaliov (which, I think, is the corresponding military rank).  His own nose manages to pass itself off as a civil counselor (a higher rank).  It would not do for Kovaliov (a man of his station) to go about without a nose.  It seems to me that Gogol is making a statement about society when he says a nose (and nothing more) can easily be mistaken for a high ranking civil servant.  (When the nose if finally caught, the policeman remarks that if he hadn't been wearing his glasses, he too would have mistaken the nose for a "gentleman")  It's almost as if he's saying the entire structure of society is meaningless.  Kovaliov dosen't come off any better than his barber who has no rank at all.  

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4. "The Nose" is set during the reign of Nicholas I. Is there anything in this story that tells you about the character of this tsar or the nature of his reign? Think about Nicholas’ personality and policies. Are they in any way reflected in the characters, settings and events of the story?


Well, all the characters appear to be frightened of the police.

Toward the end of the story, "One gentleman said with indignation that he could not understand how in the present enlightened age people could spread abroad these absurd stories, and that he was surprised that the govenment took no notice of it.  This gentleman, as may be seen, belonged to the number of those who would like the government to meddle in everything, even in their daily quarrels with their wives."

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6. What do you think about the Nose itself? Is it a symbol or a metaphor, or is it just one fantastic little piece of Petersburg, behaving as fantastically as all the other large and small pieces of Petersburg?
 


It crossed my mind that Gogol could at times be referring to some other body part.  To me, Praskovia Osipovna acts like something other than a nose was found in the loaf of bread....

Of course this really changes things around once we read that the "nose" is passing itself off as a civil counselor!

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 01:16:40 PM »
<running as fast as my tiny little feet can carry me to Barnes and Noble.  I was gone for a couple of days (my wedding anniversary, trip to laguna beach to buy some fabulous art!) but I'll get myself up to speed by tonight.)

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 01:24:04 PM »
No rush, Finelly!  The story's a short one but packed with plenty of material for discussion.    :)
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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2005, 03:01:45 PM »
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To me the story was definitely a satire about actual social problems and practices.  There appears to be a great deal of importance attached to rank.  Kovaliov "can never forget for a moment" that he is a collegiate assessor.  He refers to himself as "Major" Kovaliov (which, I think, is the corresponding military rank).  His own nose manages to pass itself off as a civil counselor (a higher rank).  It would not do for Kovaliov (a man of his station) to go about without a nose.  It seems to me that Gogol is making a statement about society when he says a nose (and nothing more) can easily be mistaken for a high ranking civil servant.  (When the nose if finally caught, the policeman remarks that if he hadn't been wearing his glasses, he too would have mistaken the nose for a "gentleman")  It's almost as if he's saying the entire structure of society is meaningless.  Kovaliov dosen't come off any better than his barber who has no rank at all.


I agree, there is a strong element of social satire in this story and the upperclasses (at least as represented by Kovalev) come out looking as bad as or even worse than everyone else. I especially like the "highly aristocratic lady [who] wrote a letter to the head keeper of the gardens to ask him to show that rare phenomenon [the nose] to her children, and, if possible, with instructive and edifying explanations for young boys."

You'll notice one thing we don't get in this story are "instructive and edifying explanations," or indeed, any explanation at all for all the strange goings-on of Kovalev's nose. But more about that later.

I also like Kovalev's absurd letter to Mrs. Podtochin accusing her of witchcraft, and her equally absurd reply. 

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It crossed my mind that Gogol could at times be referring to some other body part.  To me, Praskovia Osipovna acts like something other than a nose was found in the loaf of bread....

Of course this really changes things around once we read that the "nose" is passing itself off as a civil counselor!


You are very clever, RichC! In fact an eminent American Slavist, Simon Karlinsky, wrote an entire Freudian analysis of "The Nose," arguing that Kovalev's nose is actually a symbol for another, unmentionable body part.  That's one of the interesting aspects of this story to me, that it lends itself so readily to such different interpretations.

Of course, some of this has to do with the way the narrator of the story shares (or doesn't share) information. He seems to know everything and nothing at the same time. For example, he supplies us with innumerable descriptions of people’s appearances and habits, down to the minutest detail, such as the description of the doctor who tries to reattach Kovalev’s nose:

"he was a fine figure of a man; he had wonderful pitch-black whiskers, a fresh, healthy wife, he ate fresh apples in the morning and kept his mouth quite extraordinarily clean, rinsing it every morning for nearly three-quarters of an hour and brushing his teeth with five different kinds of brushes."  

But when it comes to really important information, like what happened to the nose after the policeman stopped Ivan Yakovlevich on the bridge, then suddenly our narrator knows nothing: "But here the incident is completely shrouded in a fog and absolutely nothing is known of what happened next" (end of Chapter One). Chapter Two ends exactly the same way, with another protestation of ignorance from the narrator: "After that – but here again a thick fog descends on the whole incident, and what happened after that is completely unknown." Yet at the beginning of Chapter Three we’re informed very specifically that Kovalev’s nose became reattached to his face "on the seventh of April." So we even get dates, just not the most important, basic information that would allow us to explain how Kovalev’s nose could behave in such magical and mysterious ways, even adopting the role of a State Councillor!


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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2005, 04:33:49 PM »
That's interesting about Karlinsky.  I would be interested in checking out his study.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of this!  Something in Praskovia Osipovna's reaction didn't add up.  Certainly one would be shocked to find a nose in a loaf of bread, but she was acting so deeply offended; it reminded me of when my mother once many years ago received a "gag" present from someone in her office for her birthday (one can guess what it was) and how upset she got.  She didn't appreciate it, to say the least!


About the information (or lack thereof) that the narrator gives us, perhaps the type of information being supplied (lots of details but little substantive information) is itself a commentary on life in 19th century Russia (or perhaps life in the capital)?  Lots of talk but little actually being said?

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2005, 06:31:48 AM »
Your poor mother... that would indeed be upsetting!:(

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About the information (or lack thereof) that the narrator gives us, perhaps the type of information being supplied (lots of details but little substantive information) is itself a commentary on life in 19th century Russia (or perhaps life in the capital)?  Lots of talk but little actually being said?


I think that's an excellent interpretation. On the literal level, of course, the narrator's "fog" can also be read as a reminder of the real climate of St. Petersburg - lots of mists and fogs. And on yet another level, it's suggestive of the fantastic.

"The Nose" is a story in which Gogol further develops his depiction of St. Petersburg as a surreal, haunted place where eerie or absurd things happen. He had explored this theme in earlier stories like "Nevsky Prospect" and "The Portrait," and it reaches its full fruition in his masterpiece "The Overcoat" (1841). Gogol's peculiar vision of the capital city became highly influential in Russian literature.

Another famous work that contributed greatly to the literary legend of Petersburg as a phantasmagorical city was Pushkin’s "Bronze Horseman" (written in 1833, but published posthumously only in 1837). In this poem the Falconet statue of Peter the Great comes to life and chases the hero Evgenii through the streets of the city. The ghostly vision of St. Petersburg found in so many works of  Russian literature always reminds me of Baudelaire’s lines about Paris: "Teeming city, city full of dreams,/where the spectre, in broad daylight,/ accosts the passersby."
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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2005, 01:53:10 PM »
I will be joining in too. Have been out of town for several days taking care of a sick friend. I will read the book and join in. Until then I will read the posts and keep my mouth shut until I've read the material. I am looking forward to this.

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2005, 06:02:45 AM »
As for Karlinsky, I do not think that he was the first, who thought in such way. The 19th century people thought in the same way.
( It is intresting that the japanese people, who read this novel, they start to think the same , even if they are not the slavists or specialists of literature).
When I  re-read it now, I liked the description of city life very much.
( I think that it is a fantastic satire).
But I do not understand , why the Nose began his trip out of the bread of the coiffeur.
What  Gogol wanted to say to us by inroducing the coiffeur and his wife?

As for the portrait mentioned in  " The portrait" novel,
It is in the Tretiakov Gallery.

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2005, 06:57:23 AM »
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As for Karlinsky, I do not think that he was the first, who thought in such way. The 19th century people thought in the same way.
( It is intresting that the japanese people, who read this novel, they start to think the same , even if they are not the slavists or specialists of literature).


I agree, I think people in the 19th century were much less "innocent" of these things than we assume today. But I've also read in Donald Fanger's biography of Gogol that noses were a fashionable topic for writers at the time Gogol wrote "The Nose."

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When I  re-read it now, I liked the description of city life very much.
( I think that it is a fantastic satire).
But I do not understand , why the Nose began his trip out of the bread of the coiffeur.
What  Gogol wanted to say to us by inroducing the coiffeur and his wife?


I'm just guessing, of course, but the contrast between Major Kovalev and his barber gives us a bird's eye view of different classes in Russian society. It broadens the social satire to include the upper class and lower class and everyone in between. Also, practically speaking, the barber could have cut off Kovalev's nose when shaving him - as his wife accuses him of doing - either accidentally or on purpose. (He has the right tools at his disposal; he's a drunkard.)  And then there's a strong element of irony, too, since we are told that Kovalev constantly complained to Ivan Yakovlevich that "your hands always stink." So the barber is even given a motive for cutting off Kovalev's nose!

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As for the portrait mentioned in  " The portrait" novel,
It is in the Tretiakov Gallery.


I didn't know this. Thanks for the information!

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2005, 12:20:44 AM »
Maybe Nose showed Kowalyov, that he could be a civil counsellor, but he just a major.
Before loose of the Nose , Kowalyov wanted to marry but after he have got it, he decided not to do it.
He just lived calmly , whitout special dreams.

I think that Gogoly raised a problem of "small man" ( malenyky chelovechek) ( the same is in "overcoat"), whose only one plus is his nose.

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2005, 01:57:16 PM »
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Maybe Nose showed Kowalyov, that he could be a civil counsellor, but he just a major.
Before loose of the Nose , Kowalyov wanted to marry but after he have got it, he decided not to do it.
He just lived calmly , whitout special dreams.

I think that Gogoly raised a problem of "small man" ( malenyky chelovechek) ( the same is in "overcoat"), whose only one plus is his nose.


I never looked at it that way, Hikaru.  Being a native Russian speaker, can you tell us if any of the characters' names have any special meaning which would escape the English language reader?

Many thanks!

RichC

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Re: Book Discussion  -- Gogol's The Nose
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2005, 08:11:35 PM »
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Hello, fellow gentle readers!
As we are recovering from a flood, I am not up to speed, but will be attempting to read 'The Nose' as well as  the next choice and to join in the disussions.
Thanks to all for valiantly persevering  in the face of occasional irritations & lower-than-expected-participation. Let us hope that may be behind us now :)

M-M