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Re: The Imperial Family and servants - everyday life
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2007, 07:56:06 PM »
I've heard of Alexei being a bit bossy to his servants. Do you think the other members of the Romanov family were bossy to them as well?

What is the source of your information please?

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« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2007, 08:04:39 PM »
I read it on lots of websites speaking of Alexei being quite selfish of having servants.

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Re: The Imperial Family and servants - everyday life
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2007, 08:30:55 PM »
I read it on lots of websites speaking of Alexei being quite selfish of having servants.

Want me to give you the url for the website?

Yes please. I am very curious who the author may be.

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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2007, 07:35:48 AM »
Well if you want to take a look at the wesbite here is the url: http://www.freewebs.com/alyoshasunbeam/alexeisstory.htm

Now just read the paragraph below.

He was also very considerate. He knew he had power, but was not sure why. When asked by his tutor he said that someone told him it just "must be so." He was once asked his friend Gleb to draw pictures to go with his favorite jingles. He gave Gleb the jingles and wrote a quick note explaining what he wanted gleb to do. He crossed out his name and told Gleb's father, "If my name was on it, it would be an order that he would have to obey. He doesnt have to do it if he doesnt want to." But he was a bit more selfish than his sisters when it came to bossing around his servants. OTMA tried not to ask them to do too many things, but Alexei, often being bedridden, would ring a bell for sweets, or ask them to write in his diary for him.

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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2007, 09:17:59 AM »
that is from Nicholas and Alexandra, the chapter OTMA and Alexis.

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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2007, 03:21:42 PM »
Yes, but the author, Mr. Massie drew it from a source. I think its either from Pierre Gilliard's book, Anna Vyrubova's book (memoir), or Lili Dehn's book (memoir). The only problem I have with those descriptions of Alexei being bossy like that is that, they should have elaborated how old Alexei was in those instances. When he grew older, he became less bossy.

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Re: The Imperial Family and servants - everyday life
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2007, 03:49:52 PM »
Spiridovitch records that at Livadia, Alexei could at times be very stubborn and could be demanding of those around him.  He cites for example the time he ordered a soldier on guard duty on the Livadia grounds to march into the lake, fully clothed, up to his neck  holding his rifle over his head.  The solidier had nothing to do but obey him, however when Nicholas found out, he was furious and Alexei was severely punished and told that he must never order his soldiers to do anything like that.

Another time, Spirdovitch recounts how Alexei climbed up a tree (a major no-no given his hemophilia, lest he fall).  He steadfastly refused to come down, and disobeyed all the servants who were trying to coax him down.  Finally, the only way they got him out of the tree was by telling him that since he wouldn't come down for any of the staff, the staff would have to get the Tsar to come get him down, and Alexei would have to answer to his father. THAT worked and he came straight down the tree, rather than have to face his father for being stubborn to the servants.

A third time, in Yalta, Alexei won a bottle of champagne at a raffle at the White Flower Festival.  He carried it around proudly, and kept wanting to open it and drink it.  Alexei and Nagorny spent the entire day quarelling with each other because he wanted to drink his champagne and Nagorny wouldn't let him.

That said, Spirid. also recounts numerous times Alexei was very kind, gentle  and charitable to the servants around him.  Alexei was very proud that he was finally old enough to partake in the Tsar's daily ritual of tasting the dinner of the soldiers on duty at the palace.  A plate of the same food the men ate was brought to Nicholas and to Alexei daily, so that the men on duty would know that their dinner was good enough for the Tsar himself.   Alexei learned that the soldier who brought the plate to him daily had a daughter the same age as Alexei, and Alexei used to give him presents all the time for the man to give his daughter from Alexei.  Sometimes, Alexei would go into his sisters' rooms and take THEIR dolls to give to the soldier's daughter!



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« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2007, 01:04:50 PM »
Oh my gosh, those are cute anecdotes of Alexei!!!! I kept laughing about Alexei and Nagorny quarreling with each other. Very comical but I doubt it for Nagorny. Also of Alexei stealing his sisters' dolls!!! What a darling boy. I wonder if the Grand Duchesses took inventory of their toys and noticed the missing dolls. Thanks for posting Forum Admin.

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Re: The Imperial Family and servants - everyday life
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2007, 08:34:32 AM »
Didn't Aleksei also refer to Derevenko as "fatty"?

(If I can find the source, I'll post it -- I know I read it offline somewhere...)
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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2007, 10:30:24 AM »
Sarushka, do you happen to know what "fatty" is in Russian? I'm sure Alexei meant that in a tender way when he called Derevenko that. :)

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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2007, 07:18:11 PM »
Sarushka, do you happen to know what "fatty" is in Russian?

I checked my Russian dictionary and found a couple possibilities: fatty/fattening is "zhirnyi." However, the word fat (as in obese) is "polnyi."


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I'm sure Alexei meant that in a tender way when he called Derevenko that. :)

I wouldn't be so sure -- the quote I recall was "Look at fatty run!"  :P
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2007, 08:14:18 PM »
Aaaawwww, that wasn't nice of Alexei!!!!  ;D His parents must have reprimanded him when they heard him calling Derevenko that! :)

I have to get myself a Russian dictionary. It will be cool to learn a third language. I'm only familiar with some Russian words.

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Re: The Imperial Family and servants - everyday life
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2007, 10:08:55 PM »
Sarushka, do you happen to know what "fatty" is in Russian?

I checked my Russian dictionary and found a couple possibilities: fatty/fattening is "zhirnyi." However, the word fat (as in obese) is "polnyi."


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I'm sure Alexei meant that in a tender way when he called Derevenko that. :)

I wouldn't be so sure -- the quote I recall was "Look at fatty run!"  :P

I believe it is in the novel, "Curse of The Romanovs", which I believe you recently read. I don't have my copy, I have leant it to a friend.

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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2007, 11:13:46 PM »
I believe it is in the novel, "Curse of The Romanovs", which I believe you recently read. I don't have my copy, I have leant it to a friend.

You may be right. The quote I posted came from FOTR, which I know is listed in the bibliography of Curse of the Romanovs.
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2007, 05:05:02 PM »
i also heard that tatiana could be a little bossy somethimes