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Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2006, 11:08:57 AM »
Is there any books on Queen Barbara of Braganza ?  ???

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2006, 11:33:44 AM »
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Thank you both for the wonderful information and pictures, CountessKate and Eugenie!  :D Isabel Farnese sounds like a strong woman - she was the heiress of Parma, wasn't she? How come neither Luis I nor Fernando VI had no children? Were they sterile?


I suppose that Luis was not sterile...he didn´t like his wife, so I imagine they were not the most passionate couple, and he died two years after the marriage. Fernando was sterile.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2006, 11:57:18 AM »
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Is there any books on Queen Barbara of Braganza ?  ???


I don´t know...I never had seen a bio of Barbara.

All the information that I can provides you is the next following:

-Maria Madalena Barbara Xaviere Leonor Teresa Antonia Josefa de Braganza was the first creature born of the marriage between Joao V, king of Portugal, and Mary Anne Josepha of Austria. Barbara, as she was usually known, was heiress presumptive to the Portuguese crown until her mother gaves birth to a prince.

-Barbara was married to Fernando the 20.01.1729 at Badajoz. She was eighteen years old, and her husband was twenty years old. The first time Fernando saw Barbara, he was horrified, but the girl was really fat and ugly.

-Barbara was a good person who had received a fine education. She has two thousand books in her library and she loved music, in fact, when she moved from Portugal to Spain, she was followed by their music´s teacher, the great composer Domenico Scarlatti.

-Fernando was by temperament really shy and melancholy. The lost of his mother caused much grief and pain throughout of his life. He was very fond to his elder brother Luis, and the dead of Luis caused him sorrow. He needed a kind and warmth wife, and Barbara, the ugly Barbara, was devoted to him, so he felt in love. They spent a lot of time at Aranjuez palace, because Barbara suffered a severe asthma, and she felt better when she was at this place.

-Fernando was sterile, so they had no children. After the death of Barbara, all the money she had (and she had a lot) was to her brother Pedro of Portugal. The widow retired to Villaviciosa, and mourned her during a year, falling into madness, until he die.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2006, 11:57:57 AM »
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Or maybe Barbara was... ???


No. I have read that Fernando could not eyaculate.

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2006, 12:09:20 PM »
Where did you hear that from...? :o :o :o ???
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2006, 12:39:58 PM »
At the books...but I don´t remember where exactly, Eric. I remember the fact because this surprised me.

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Re: Felipe V of Spain and his family
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2006, 05:01:45 PM »
Thanks for that bio Eugenie.  :) I don't think it's very usual for a man to be unable to ejaculate - perhaps you mean he was impotent?
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2006, 07:28:04 PM »
I think that is what she meant... :-X

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2006, 10:04:30 PM »
I love Queen Isabel Farnesio....one tough cookie.  It's people like her that make history interesting.  Count Alberoni, an ambassador of sorts from the Duchy of Parma, spearheaded the effort to have Philip marry Isabel (or Elisabetta).  In the absence of a spanish Queen, the Princess des Ursins fulfilled the role of first lady of the land and had Philip's ear on everything. Ursins herself was strong and loud.  Alberoni worked on Ursins and finally convinced her of the beneifts of the Parmesan marriage, so the matter was settled,and Philip and Isabel were married in proxy in Parma in 1714, before Isabel ever stepped foot in Spain and before she ever met Philip.  Undoubedly, the Princess des Ursins knew that the grateful Isabel would do her bidding.
So at 21, Isabel arrives in Spain.  After the long journey, she's tired and she's late.  The Princess des Ursins does not meet her at the palace doors, but waits for her at the top of the staircase.  She then lays into her, criticizing her on her lateness, her dress, her hair.  Isabel screamed to Alberoni and the guards to "Take this woman away who dares to insult me."  She had Ursins immediately arrested and exiled to France.    

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« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2006, 05:04:19 AM »
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I think that is what she meant... :-X


No, she meant that Fernando couldn't ejaculate.  I've also seen it "written" somewhere, but I don't know where right now, I'll have to check what book it was. But yes, Fernando was not impotent, he just couldn't ejaculate. Rare as it may seem, it was reported in his times and now we know that is indeed possible, so... I think it is quite clear!
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Re: Felipe V of Spain and his family
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2006, 08:13:06 AM »
Thanks Umigon, I was just waiting for you to find this thread!  ;)

Thanks to you too, Luke. I agree, while people like Queen Isabel Farnese may not be entirely likable, they are certainly interesting!  :)
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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2006, 10:28:12 AM »
One tough cookie and quite a stepmother... :P

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2006, 02:01:17 AM »
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I love Queen Isabel Farnesio....one tough cookie.  It's people like her that make history interesting.  Count Alberoni, an ambassador of sorts from the Duchy of Parma, spearheaded the effort to have Philip marry Isabel (or Elisabetta).  In the absence of a spanish Queen, the Princess des Ursins fulfilled the role of first lady of the land and had Philip's ear on everything. Ursins herself was strong and loud.  Alberoni worked on Ursins and finally convinced her of the beneifts of the Parmesan marriage, so the matter was settled,and Philip and Isabel were married in proxy in Parma in 1714, before Isabel ever stepped foot in Spain and before she ever met Philip.  Undoubedly, the Princess des Ursins knew that the grateful Isabel would do her bidding.
So at 21, Isabel arrives in Spain.  After the long journey, she's tired and she's late.  The Princess des Ursins does not meet her at the palace doors, but waits for her at the top of the staircase.  She then lays into her, criticizing her on her lateness, her dress, her hair.  Isabel screamed to Alberoni and the guards to "Take this woman away who dares to insult me."  She had Ursins immediately arrested and exiled to France.    


Umigon told a funny version of this story on another thread. I think the Princesse des Ursins called the new Queen a Parma ham or something of the sort. The Princess was quite a character. She must have been approaching seventy by this time but affected to dress as a young girl. Without her, Philip would never have been able to hold on to his Spanish crown.

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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2006, 04:09:03 AM »
These are the nicknames Felipe V and Isabel used to call their children:

Carlos: Carlet

María Ana Victoria: Marianina

Felipe: Pipo

María Teresa: Teté

Luis Antonio: Lulú

María Antonia: Totó
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2006, 10:24:03 AM »
They're cute nicknames, though 'Mariannina' is a bit of a mouthful.   ;D ;D
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