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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2009, 08:02:04 PM »
this is annnoying lol
i want to do a wikipedia article on her and can't find anything on her..

i no she was on the famous list of 99 possible wives for Louis XV and she was abbess but i know nothing else..
..she doesnt seem to have even been written about in many memoirs even :(

anyone else seeen or heard anything of our little mademoiselle de vermandois?!

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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2009, 08:29:24 PM »
any pics of Louise Élisabeth de Bourbon-Condé?
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2009, 06:03:09 AM »

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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2009, 02:02:28 PM »
I wasn't able to find images of Louise Élisabeth de Bourbon-Condé, but did find images of the Duchesse du Maine:
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2009, 04:57:29 PM »
ODEAAR!

the second image is of Louise Bénédictes sister in law, Louise-Francoise de Bourbon, duchesse de Bourbon; it is by Francois de Troy.. :(

the third is Madame du Maine and is by Pierre Gobert i think :)
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2009, 12:45:24 PM »
Anne Marie Victoire de Bourbon (11 August, 1675 - 23 October, 1700), known as Mademoiselle d'Enghien then Mademoiselle de Condé was a grand daughter of le Grand Condé; does anyone know if she was ever engaged to anyone at court?!

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2009, 01:56:08 PM »
COME ON PEOPLE! :@ HA
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2009, 07:32:54 AM »
Anne Marie Victoire was the eldest daughter of the Prince de Condé but was passed over for marriage to the Duc du Maine in favour of her younger sister, Anne-Louise-Benedicte, who was "two fingers" taller.  The daughters of M. le Duc (as he was known at court) were tiny and were called "poupees du sang" (dolls of the blood) rather than princesses of the blood.  Mlle de Condé was extremely upset by this, and having to continue to live with the upset and torment caused by the her father (who was considered almost insane) and to that was attributed her early death (although lung disease played its part).  Saint Simon considered that Mlle de Condé had "a beautiful countenance, and an even more beautiful soul, great wit, sense, reason, kindness, and piety which sustained her in her very sad life. So was she really regretted by all who knew her".

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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2009, 02:17:33 PM »
thaaanks..but she wasnt the oldest daughter was she?!
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2009, 04:47:26 AM »
I should have said she was the oldest princess in line to be married - her sister Marie Therese, was married to the Prince de Conti and it should have been Anne Marie Victoire's turn.   

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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2009, 10:42:36 AM »
(1 September 1734  – 13 March 1814) was Prince of Conti, succeeding his father Louis François de Bourbon. His mother was Louise Diane d'Orléans, the youngest daughter of Philippe d'Orléans, duc d'Orléans, the Regent of France during the minority of King Louis XV of France. As a member of the reigning House of Bourbon, he was a Prince du Sang.

Biography

Child of the Prince and Princess of Conti, he was born at the Hôtel de Conti in Paris. From birth he was known as the Count of La Marche (formally, Monsieur le Comte de La Marche). He would have very fragile health during his life but despite that, he lived to be 79 years old. His mother Louise Diane d'Orléans died in childbirth on 26 September 1736; the child also died. After Louise Diane's death, the Prince of Conti decided to retire to the château de L'Isle-Adam in order to be away from court and to pursue his love of hunting; later on, his father would have a very distinguished military career; he would also be a great collector and his mistress was the cultured Madame de Boufflers.
The young prince of the Blood was baptised at the Chapelle du château de Versailles on 29 November 1742 in front of the King (Louis XV of France) and his polish wife, Maria Leszczyńska. Eight years later, on 17 May 1750, the Count was made a Knight of the Order of the Holy Spirit[1]. This ceremony was also held at Versailles.
During the Seven Years' War (1756–1763), the young Count took part in the Battle of Hastenbeck on 26 July 1757 as well as the Battle of Krefeld (23 June 1758); in both of these battles, Louis François Joseph held the rank of Field Marshal.

He was married to his first cousin, Marie Fortunée d'Este (1734-1803). Princess Maria Fortunata of Modena was the fourth daughter of Francesco III d'Este, the Duke of Modena, and his wife, Charlotte Aglaé d'Orléans, who was his mother's older sister. Through Marie Fortunée, he was the brother-in-law of the Duke of Penthièvre, the richest man in France.

The marriage contract was signed in Milan on 3 January 1759 by the French ambassador to the court of Turin. A wedding by proxy took place in Milan on 7 February of the same year. It was celebrated in person on the 27th of February at Nangis-en-Brie in France. Maria Fortunata's father settled upon her a dowry of one million livres. In addition, upon her arrival in France, her husband was given a gift of 150,000 livres from King Louis XV. The young comtesse de La Marche was presented to the King, the Queen and the rest of the royal family on 5 March 1759 by the Dowager Princess of Conti. The Dowager Princess of Conti was Louis François' paternal grandmother.

The couple did not get along and never had any children. Many at court said this state of affairs was due to the influence of her husband's mistress, Marie Anne Véronèse, known as Mademoiselle Coraline. Véronèse had been a dancer at an Italian theatre. Louis François and his mistress had two illegitimate children together, born in 1761 and 1767.
In 1770, the marriage of the Dauphin of France, the future Louis XVI, and the Archduchess Maria Antonia of Austria took place. Marie Fortunée, as she was known in France, and her husband were one of twelve couples invited to dine with the newlyweds in the Opéra of the Palace of Versailles, which had been constructed for the royal wedding.
In 1776, his father died making Louis François the head of the Conti branch of the House of Bourbon. In the next years, the Prince and Princess of Conti decided to separate in despite the scandal it caused at court. The official separation date was 12 June 1777. His "wife" would live quietly at the Château de Triel. After fleeing France during the revolution, she would travel incognito as the comtesse de Triel; She would die in Venice, Italy on 21 September 1803 and was buried at the Convent of the Visitation outside the city.

He took the side of Maupeou in the struggle between the chancellor and the parlements, and in 1788 declared that the integrity of the constitution must be maintained. He emigrated following the French Revolution, but refused to share in the plans for the invasion of France. He returned to his native country in 1790.

Arrested by order of the National Convention in 1793, he was acquitted, but was reduced to poverty by the confiscation of his possessions. He afterwards received a pension. In 1797, however, the Directoire decided to exile the last of the Bourbons still living in France. He was sent in exile to Spain along with his few remaining relatives who still lived in France and had not already been killed in the Revolution, including the Duchess of Bourbon. Relegated to a place near Barcelona, he lived in poverty. Refusing to share in the plots of the Royalists, he lived an isolated existence in Barcelona until his death in 1814, when the House of Bourbon-Conti became extinct.
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2009, 10:57:37 AM »
Charlotte Louise Dorothée de Rohan (never formally ''Rochefort'') lived  25/10/1767 (Paris) + 01/05/1841 (Paris) and was the wife of ''Louis Antoine'' Henri de Bourbon, better known simply as the duc d’Enghien.

the couple married in Baden during the exile of the Bourbon's..Louis Antoine and his wife were distant cousins due to Louis Antoine's paternal grand mother ''Charlotte'' Élisabeth Godefride de Rohan was a member of the House of Rohan.

Charlotte Louise was a daughter of Charles Jules Armand de Rohan, prince de Rohan and Marie Henriette Charlotte d’Orléans-Rothelin and married Enghien on 18 February 1804.

the couple had no children and Charlotte Louise never married again =[

thats all i know..anyone else?
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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2009, 03:44:39 AM »
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Il eut néanmoins deux fils illégitimes: le Chevalier de Vauréal et le musicien Gatays
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 I am adding to this a little... his two illegitimate children were the Chevalier de Vauréal and the Musician Gatays!

Louis-François (III) Vauréal (1761-1785)
Chevalier de Vauréal
See parents: Louis-François II and Marie-Anne Véronèse (Coraline)(1730-1782).
His brother Pierre-Antoine Gatayes

 Natural son of the last Prince de Conti, he served in the armies as a Brigadier in the second regiment of Dragoons.
He married N. Bontems and maintained until his death a long relationship with Anne-Victoire Dervieux, Ms. Bélanger.
Other sources give a knight of Vauréal as bishop of Rennes, and was elected to the French Academy on the death of Cardinal de Rohan in 1750.

Gatayes Pierre-Antoine (1774-1846)

His parents: Louis-François II and Anne Veronese.

 Natural son of the last Prince de Conti, he distinguished himself as a musician. He had a son, Leo, who became harpist and journalist. (1805-1877)

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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2009, 06:31:25 AM »


This miniature is a touching souvenir, because the princess gave this portrait of herself to her father-in-law, the duke of Bourbon, after the death of the duke of Enghien. The duke of Bourbon keeped this portrait in his wallet, where it was found after his own (tragic) death.


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Re: Bourbon-Condé and Bourbon-Conti
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2009, 07:43:20 AM »
house of Condé
LOUIS I° (5/5/1535-Vendôme+13/3/1569-Jarnac), prince of Condé, count of Roucy and Soissons, duke of Enghien, killed at the battle of Jarnac, married 1st, 22 of june 1551 at Pleissier-les-Roye with Éléonore de Roye (24/2/1535+23/7/1564-casttle of Condé, lady of Conti, countess of Roucy, 2ndly, 8/11/1565 at Vendôme with Françoise of Orléans-Rothelin(5/4/1549-Châteaudun+11/6/1601-Paris). 11 children (8 from the first, 3 from the second).
HENRI I° (1552-La Ferté-sous-Jouarre+5/3/1588-St Jean d'Angély), 2° prince of Condé, married 1st, 6/1571 at Blandy with Marie of Clèves (1553+30/10/1574-Paris) countess of Beaufort, 2dly 16/3/1586 at St Jean d'Angély with Charlotte de La Trémoille (1568-casttle of Taillebourg+28/8/1629-Paris)  3 children (1 from 1st, 2 from 2nd)
Marguerite (8/11/1556-casttle of Roucy+ Y)
Charles (3/11/1557-Nogent-le-Rotrou+1558), count of Valléry
François (19/8/1558-La Ferté-sous-Jouarre+3/8/1614-Paris), 1st prince of Conti, sovereign prince of Chateau-Regnault, married 1st, 17/12/1581 at Le Louvre with Jeanne-Françoise de Coëme (1554+26/12/1601-St Arnould-en-Beauce),lady of Bonnestoile, 2dly, 24/7/1605 at casttle of Meudon with Louise Marguerite of Lorraine-Guise (1588+30/4/1631-casttle of Eu), countess of Eu, princess of Château-Regnault, one girl Marie (8/3/1610-Le Louvre+20/3/1610-St Germain-des-Près)
Louis (30/3/1562-Gandelu-en-Brie+19/10/1563-Muret), count of Anisy
Charles (30/3/1562-Gandelu-en-Brie+30/7/1594-Paris), twin, archbishop of Rouen, cardenal
Madeleine (1563-Muret+7/10/1563-Muret)
Catherine (1564+ Y )
Charles (1566-Nogent-le-Rotrou+1/11/1612-Blandy), count of Soissons and Dreux, married, 27/12/1601 with Anne of Montafié (1577+17/6/1644-Paris), countess of Montafié and Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, lady of Lucé and of Jardin, 5 children
Louis (1567+1568)
Benjamin (1569+1573)