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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2004, 11:50:30 AM »
Well I'm sorry, but I didn't see any threads devoted to him. Your search function is not the best.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2004, 11:56:37 AM »
I think those threads are buried deep within the wrinkles on the forum, so to speak.  I for one am glad that JD posted the link to the LOC site.  I have had it marked on my favorites list for some time.  The photos never cease to amaze me.

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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2006, 09:28:44 AM »
Major Jesse Carnes here.

Can I assume that everyone here is aware that Nicky had commissioned a  genius photographer : Sergei  Prokudin-Gorskii, to  take snapshots of Russia between 1910 and 1915?  If you are unfamiliar with his shots of Russia, your eyes will not believe what they see! TRUE colour fotos that were NOT hand tinted.  Doubt it?

SEE :  http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/architecture.html

Click especially on View of the Nilova Monastery foto.    That foto is as good as any I have seen at the present.

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PS :  the only FAUX PAS committed by the Tsar is that he failed to have Sergei snap his family's  photograph as a group and also individually.    A real mistake.









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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2006, 09:36:31 AM »
May I add that the URL which I had listed ALSO states that THEIR renderings are digital colour copies.

For the record, Sergei Gorskii used a true 3-colour process analogous  to that of Disney in 1939/40.   All the fotos are and were in colour as they were made in 1910-1915.  And to boot, the colour has not faded to any virtural extent.






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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2006, 10:08:42 AM »
I knew of the photographic project that Nicholas funded and had seen some black-and-white prints, but I had never seen the results published in color.  Amazing.

If I understood the text of the link correctly, though, the color technology Prokudin-Girskii invented produced color projections at the time but not color prints.  Color prints apparently had to wait for digital processing technology.

Thank you, Major, for pointing out this website.

(This whole topic raises another interesting point.  People in the West often assume that pre-revolutionary Russia lagged behind the West in technological development.  In fact, Russia made many significant advances in science and technology, often solving problems with a different approach than that taken in the West -- and often solving them as well or better.  Some historians of science think Russia's advances have been under-recognized, in part, because the work was published in a Cyrillic alpabet and therefore more inaccessible to Western scientists than works in German or English, which dominated the Western science publications.)
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2006, 12:13:50 PM »
I think there are many colour photos of the first world war.
Too bad there were never taken any of the Romanovs  :(

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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2006, 12:19:13 PM »
Prokhudin-Gorsky did in fact make color prints. We have a very rare album from the 1913 Koustar Arts (handicraft/cottage industry crafts) sponsored by Alexandra Feodorovna. It contains dozens of original color prints of the exhibits tipped into the volume. There is a thread on Russian Peasant handicrafts where I posted several of the pictures...

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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2006, 01:23:25 PM »
An afterthought . . .

Given Nicholas' interest in technology -- photography in particular -- and his reputation as an "early adopter" of all the latest gadgetry, I find it astonishing he did not have color photographs made of his family.

We have x-rays of his and Alexandra's hands.  We have motion pictures of his family.  He had his own darkroom.  Edison voice recordings were reportedly made of his children (though now lost).

Why no color photos, particularly using a technology of Russian origin, which should have particularly appealed to his Russophile sentiments?

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2006, 05:19:01 PM »
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An afterthought . . .

Given Nicholas' interest in technology -- photography in particular -- and his reputation as an "early adopter" of all the latest gadgetry, I find it astonishing he did not have color photographs made of his family.

We have x-rays of his and Alexandra's hands.  We have motion pictures of his family.  He had his own darkroom.  Edison voice recordings were reportedly made of his children (though now lost).

Why no color photos, particularly using a technology of Russian origin, which should have particularly appealed to his Russophile sentiments?


I agree. I think it's a shame that we don't have color photos of the IF since this photographer was travelling around Russia taking pictures of life there. What a treasure it would be to have actual color photos of the family!

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2006, 09:03:09 PM »
There actually is a book of these color photos of czarist Russia. I think it's called "Photographs for the Tsar" or a similar title. Also have any of you seen lithographs? Some of them are quite intriguing. I have a book with many lithographs from imperial China. An adult friend of mine couldn't believe that photography (in affect) was invented in 1835. There are several photo albums of imperial China from photos ranging from the 1860's to the collapse of the Chinese Empire. It's just too bad that there weren't any photos of the Empress Dowager & Emperor Tongzhi (they had the means, but it was protocol & superstition that prevented the photos from being taken.) The first photo of her emerged about 1902 & she delighted in photography. The earliest photo of the Chinese Imperial  family was of  Prince Kong in 1858.

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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2006, 08:19:36 AM »
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PS :  the only FAUX PAS committed by the Tsar is that he failed to have Sergei snap his family's  photograph as a group and also individually.    A real mistake.

Of course, the Tsar probably thought he had plenty of time to have his family photographed in color. He couldn't have forseen February 1917 would bring the end of all such opportunities...
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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2006, 09:08:17 AM »
It is thought that P-G actually did make color photos of the IF. However, the only known color plates of his photos are the ones that he took with him when he left Russia. It seems that all the plates remaining in Russia were destroyed. Many, in fact were sadly "recycled" as the glass panes for greenhouses, and don't forget that any images of the IF during the early soviet period were illegal to possess and were destroyed as a matter of course.

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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2006, 10:00:28 AM »
Any idea why the color photos of the IF were not put into the albums that did survive?

Which raises another question I've never thought about . . . .  How did so many of the black-and-white albums survive?

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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2006, 11:10:24 AM »
It was most likely the P-G studio kept the plates and prints were not made to go into the albums. Remember that the albums were their personal snapshot albums. Generally they did not keep official portaits in them.

The simple reason why all the personal family albums survived was due entirely to one man. George Lukhomski.  The court Architect of Tsarskoe Selo at the time of the Revolution, he was selected by the Provisional Government in 1917 to head the Committee on Art and History of T.S. Quite literally the same day the IF left the Alexander Palace he and his committee went into the AP and began to catalogue and inventory everything inside. He pursuaded the Bolshevik regime in 1918 that the personal papers and photo albums of the IF were of historic value and so they were all put into the State Archives, which is why they remain intact to this day.
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Re: Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorskii - Photographs for the Tsar
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2006, 12:56:47 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I've taken the presence of the IF's photos and diaries for granted for so long that it had never occurred to me to ask why such highly personal items had survived a regime so hostile to fostering any understanding of them as human beings.

Do you have any idea if the surviving plates of P-G that made it out of Russia have been exhaustively cataloged by the Smithsonian (or is the Library of Congress)?  Any chance some nuggets are lying undiscovered?