Archduchess Marie Valérie of Austria(-Tuscany)

[MarieCharlotte]

She s talking about Maria Josefa in Bavaria nee Braganza, second wife of Karl Theodor, not Archduchess MAria josepha, Wife of Archduke Otto.

We should refer to her as Marie José. ;-)

[Carolath Habsburg]

Yes to not confuse them. I looked for her in google  and i also found her as Duchess Maria Josepha in Bavaria cause in the beggining i was also a bit confused.

[MarieCharlotte]

Yes to not confuse them. I looked for her in google  and i also found her as Duchess Maria Josepha in Bavaria cause in the beggining i was also a bit confused.

Marie José used the German version of her name, Maria Josepha, whenever she signed official documents. Family members always called her Marie José - so do I, because I simply prefer this version. ;-)

It's quite interesting that FJ refered to Emperor Karl's mother as Marie Josepha.

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

One of the..ugliest dresses I've ever seen on Royal persons and the most balloon-ish sleeves as well.

http://www.bildarchivaustria.at/Pages/ImageDetail.aspx?p_iBildID=12427305

I couldn't see it :-(

[Carolath Habsburg]

For those who cant see it...

From the ONB

[Eric_Lowe]

Exergerated look. At least Alexandra of Wales or Ella of Russia would not be caught dead in that.

[Carolath Habsburg]

Mids 1890s fashion. Thanks god that era started good and finished good talking about fashion

[grandduchessella]

Exergerated look. At least Alexandra of Wales or Ella of Russia would not be caught dead in that.

I don't know about Ella--there are some pictures of her in some seriously large sleeves. Can say I've ever seen Alexandra in them though. She kept it pretty sleek.

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...not the style exihibited by Valarie in that photo...

[grandduchessella]

Pretty close.

[Eric_Lowe]

Do you have proof in photo ?

[grandduchessella]

I don't have time to do your research but look at the Ella threads. Here's one not as big but still showing Ella wore the big sleeves of the day

http://www.picatom.com/u/ella1st-1.html

The problem is with definitive statements--that she would never be caught dead in such a fashion. Maybe not the extreme but to say that Ella never was a fashion victim isn't correct.

Anyway, back to Marie Valerie. This can be continued on one of Ella's threads.

[Eric_Lowe]

The point I am saying is that "not that extreme". The photo of Ella looked ok to me.

[grandduchessella]

I said the photo was illustrative of big sleeves not the extreme ones. You gave the impression Ella wouldn't even wear anything close and then challenged me for proof. I know people have a beef with you and your sourcing but stop taking it out on me--this is the 2nd or 3rd thread. If you make all or nothing statements people are going to ask you for proof. This has gone on for years now.

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