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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2004, 01:19:19 AM »
Luke, thank you for Hart's explanation. I confess I found the Nashville Scene article on the piece first and then sought out pictures of the sculpture thinking they would look like OTMA - they were nothing like I imagined and were far more abstract then I thought, more nymph-like, dancing in eternal gaity - then a sense of "loss of innocence". I'm still not quite sure what I think of it - I can see (and in a sense agree with) both Janet's and nerdycool's point of view.

On it's own though it certainly it a beautiful sculpture. I wish a could afford a copy myself :'(
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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2004, 10:34:25 AM »
Hello again,

 Well- I've looked at this sculpture again. Although I admit that had I seen it in a gallery I doubt I would have given it a second glance- I can now state that it would have made a more effective image as four nudes. (Really I am not a pervert ;))
 Not as the daughters of the Tsar, but as four young maidens expressing all the suffering millions of the 20th century...ok. Not very original, not very remarkable but ok. Technically it is a fine work- if a little contrived and precocious - but it's just that  - ok. The floating tissue just seems a bit...tasteless ?

feel free to call me a philistine :D
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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2004, 12:26:37 PM »
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Hello again,

  Well- I've looked at this sculpture again. Although I admit that had I seen it in a gallery I doubt I would have given it a second glance- I can now state that it would have made a more effective image as four nudes. (Really I am not a pervert ;))
  Not as the daughters of the Tsar, but as four young maidens expressing all the suffering millions of the 20th century...ok. Not very original, not very remarkable but ok. Technically it is a fine work- if a little contrived and precocious - but it's just that  - ok. The floating tissue just seems a bit...tasteless ?

feel free to call me a philistine :D
R.


An artist can only create what s/he finds emotionallymoving.  Yes there are a lot of other moving stories; the nuns that Janet mentioned, etc.  But an artist doesn't and couldn't possibly create what everyone else finds moving; s/he has to choose among all those subjects.

So, this particular artist found the sensual, the delicate and poetic (judging from his interview) ---the things that seem to always be destroyed by other's (who are not so delicate or poetic) cruelty in war, etc., to be his subject.  For him, the young women represented those fleeting things that were dear to the artist.

Now, personally I don't find the sculptures sexual at all. To me, they are sensual.  But not sexual.  For me there's a big difference, but not everyone feels that way.  I loved the lyrical lines to the delicate garments along with the movement of their bodies.  For some, these things need to be celebrated.    For this artist, he also must have felt the need to express this celebration to others; to remind us perhaps, of the beauty of youth, the fragility of youth, of young women (and men!), of the delicacy of the fleeting moment that before we know it, can race towards death; sometimes a violent death...

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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2004, 07:37:04 PM »
I think that was very well put Adele.I was thinking pretty much the same thing but was having trouble expressing it.Of course it's hard to think straight with 5 kids running around driving me crazy lol. ;D
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2004, 07:15:06 AM »
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I think that was very well put Adele.I was thinking pretty much the same thing but was having trouble expressing it.Of course it's hard to think straight with 5 kids running around driving me crazy lol. ;D



Hi Merrique,
   FIVE KIDS???????   And I think I can't think straight without my cup of coffee in the morning.!!  You are amazing.    FIVE KIDS!!!!

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2004, 12:54:34 PM »
I'm with Adele on this one . . . five children?! Yikes!

I used to teach school--at one point, a classroom of 38 children, some second graders, some third graders. But at least they were within the same age range and (for the most part  ::) ) obeyed la maestra! (They were ESL kids, too . . . and since I didn't speak a high level of Spanish--well, are you beginning to see why I no longer teach?!  :P ) At any rate, my straw boater is off to you, Merrique . . . five children is darn near a tribe!

And speaking of tribes, I've read that OTMAA, and particularly OTMA, were referred to in at least one reference as sometimes behaving like "wild Indians." Which made me wonder what sort of cultures other than their own they were exposed to, or had knowledge of  . . . perhaps a new topic for this forum?!  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2004, 04:18:55 PM »
I can't take credit for having all five kids though.3 are mine and 2 are my husbands.I think I have a bit of the Romanov family going on at my house,we have 4 girls and one boy,all ranging in ages from 13 to 4.I can just imagine all the noise and antics Nicky and Alix went through with five children.

Speaking of other sorts of cultures we have a mixture in my house,My husband and his children are hispanic and me and mine are american.It makes a very nice culture mix where we learn from each other.Maybe that would be another good topic to start,the different cultures OTMAA were exposed to.Great idea Janet. :)
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2004, 05:31:13 PM »
I have heard that they have wax sculptures of The Romanovs in Russia and London, I have pictures of the two. I forgot where the one in Russia was, I can't find a museum name or city. Does anyone have any info. on this? ???

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2004, 07:49:39 PM »
When I visited Yalta in 1992--as part of a four city tour, the other cities being St. P., Kiev, and Moscow--we did visit Livadia Palace. Adjacent the main building was a wax museum which our tour leader, Dr. Robert Feldman, said had not been there the year before. The museum included various wax figures from Russian history, but you'll forgive me when I say that the only ones I remember are those of the IF and--adjacent them--Prince Felix and Rasputin! That exhibit still exists, and my friend Vladimir sent me a recent photo of the IF wax figures. I'm sorry that I don't have scanning capability or I'd share it with everyone! Ā 

P.S. Of course, remember that Yalta being in Ukraine--which was celebrating its first year of independence from Russia during our visit--the exhibit is not in Russia!  ;)
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2004, 07:54:15 PM »
In 1999, in the wax figures museum of the Belosselsky-Belozersky palace i saw a wax group of the Imperial family. Also there was a wax figure of Nicholas in an exhibition that used to be in the Stroganov palace. NicholasĀ“ figure was in the former Corner Dinning room. The Stroganov palace has since been restored and there is no wax exhibition now, but i suppose those figures in the B-B palace are still there. Hope this helps...

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2004, 11:31:43 PM »
Thank you all, I appreciate the info!!

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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2004, 11:38:58 PM »
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I was not so impressed but can recall Peter the Great and Nicholas II standing next to eachother - Peter had his hand on Nicholas' shoulder. A rather strange arrangement anyhow - the tall and powerful Peter next to the tiny and small Nicholas.

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Perhaps this grotesque display could be symbolicaly viewed as the first Emperor of Russia extending his hand down to the last Emperor of Russia? ;)
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2004, 11:50:51 AM »
Harald,

I visited the same wax museum on Nevsky in St Petersburg, even picked up a book from there for fun. Yes, I remember the two figures of Nicholas and Peter the Great next to each other (they are in the book as well). Madame Tussaud's it was not, but really not so bad, better than I expected in fact. They also had figures of other Romanovs, including Catherine the Great, Emperor Paul, etc...


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When visiting St. Petersburg last year I visited a rather obscure wax figure museum on the Nevsky Prospekt - I was not so impressed but can recall Peter the Great and Nicholas II standing next to eachother - Peter had his hand on Nicholas' shoulder. A rather strange arrangement anyhow - the tall and powerful Peter next to the tiny and small Nicholas.

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2004, 11:53:03 AM »
Maria,

Were the Romanov wax figures in London at Madame Tussaud's or another wax museum? I have been to Madame Tussaud's, last time in 2000, but didn't see any Romanovs. Unless they are new, or I somehow missed them. Just curious....

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I have heard that they have wax sculptures of The Romanovs in Russia and London, I have pictures of the two. I forgot where the one in Russia was, I can't find a museum name or city. Does anyone have any info. on this? ???


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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2004, 02:07:04 PM »
Yes, the website said they were at Madame Tussauds. I was just looking up pictures of the Romanovs and that certain web link popped up.