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The Maid of Norway
« on: September 08, 2005, 04:11:49 PM »
A thread to discuss Queen Margaret, Scotland's first ever Queen-regnant!

Margaret was born on 9 April 1283 to Eric II of Norway and Margaret, daughter of Alexander III of Scotland. Her mother died in childbirth. When Alexander III died in 1286, the 3 year old Margaret was declared Queen of Scots, which said a lot for how far the laws of progmeniture had come in Scotland. Edward I, King of England, arranged the Treaty of Birgham in 1290 with the Scottish lords, which arranged that Margaret was eventually marry his son and heir the Prince of Wales.

MArgaret left Norway for Scotland in 1290, but fell ill soon afterwards and died in the Orkney Islands c.September 26. She was buried in Bergen with her mother.
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 04:39:18 PM »
The treaty of Birgham:

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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 04:40:07 PM »
Pic of Margaret:

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2005, 08:52:32 PM »
Poor child!

Only seven years old and died en route to claim her crown!
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2005, 04:17:24 AM »
How different History would have been had Margaret survived and married the Prince of Wales or any other man!
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2005, 05:29:04 AM »
Hhmmmm yes, in particular for the future Edward II- he might have had a more "comfortable " death.
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2005, 04:57:46 PM »
Or maybe an even more uncomfortable one, if Margaret had used her Norwegian imagination!
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2005, 06:14:41 PM »
Just a side note: because the new rule for monarchial numerals in the UK is to take the highest one from either England or Scotlands, the next Queen Margaret will be Margaret II . . . just some useless trivia.  ::)
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2005, 03:34:22 AM »
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Or maybe an even more uncomfortable one, if Margaret had used her Norwegian imagination!

Oooff,the mind boggles :o
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2005, 03:35:58 AM »
Re: Margaret II:

Would that have applied to Princess Margaret if the Queen had died young? Or is this a recent change?
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2005, 06:05:25 AM »
I think it was decided in the 60s . . . but I might be wrong.

Now, bell, this is one I can call La pauvre petite Margaret.  ;)
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2005, 09:00:35 AM »
Well in the picture you posted I thought she looked rather tall for her age. ;D
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2005, 09:01:32 AM »
 ;D ;D Oh, don't trust that - it was probably done about 300 years after she died.  ;)
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2005, 01:16:55 AM »
I meant that if Margaret had grown up, married Edward and had him murdered she could have used her imagination (which was Norwegian since she was from Norway) to think of an unusual and cruel form of death. :)
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Re: The Maid of Norway
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2005, 11:10:52 AM »
I don't know!  but they probably had a few unusual local varieties. :D
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