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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2005, 06:25:04 PM »
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A Third Empire in France!! Well, then Spain's summers are rainy! he he ;)


I don't think he could do that, could he? Are you French, Lucien?

To Umigon.I think Prince Napoleon has been reading our posts....

Almost two hundred years after his farewell at Fontainebleau in 1814,a Napoleon returns to the Imperial city.Prince Charles Napoleon,a descendant of the Emperors youngest brother Jerome,announced his intention to bid for the cities mayorship in 2008.The announcement came only two weeks prior to the partial mayoral elections on october 15th,As an Ajaccio city counselor,Napoléon has no intention to be a candidate opposite Simon Renucci,the leftist mayor.Thus he choose Fontainebleau:the Eagle's great-grandnephew will be back to the nest.

Now.Will the rain in Spain..............lol.  

Btw,apparently Charles's father,Prince Napoléon,Prince Louis is said to have directed before his death that the headship of the Family should desolve upon his grandson,Jean Christophe(1986-),passing his own son,Prince Charles,due to various disagreements between the two.

Would that have anything to do with Charles fathering a daughter 4 years before he married the mother,his present wife Jeanne Francoise in 1996,after divorcing from Princess Beatrice de Bourbon-Sicily.......?
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2005, 04:03:05 AM »
This morning, there was an interview of Henri d'Orléans at the radio, he thinks he has a real chance
to be at the head of the France one day and when the day will come he wants to be called Henri VII and he don't want to live in Versailles but at the Elysée.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2005, 10:40:22 AM »
He's already decided where he will live! That is optimistic!  :o
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2005, 11:37:19 AM »
Lol, yes, I think there is a gap between what he wants and what  french want today, he has no program but wants to be elected, it's a bit difficult ;D

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2005, 03:36:16 PM »
Who do you think is elligible for the French throne? Why is Don Luis Alfonso and his family not elligble for the Spanish throne?

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2005, 12:38:47 AM »
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Who do you think is elligible for the French throne? Why is Don Luis Alfonso and his family not elligble for the Spanish throne?


Because his grandfather, Don Jaimie renounced his rights and the rights of his descendants to the Spanish throne.  But still being the senior male-line Bourbon he allowed himself to be considered a contender for the French throne by Legitimists who didn't like the line of Orleans.

If Luis-Alfonso should die without having a son, the senior male line descendant of Hugh Capet will be King Juan Carlos and then Prince Felipe and since neither is interested in the non-existent French throne, the Orleanists will have the Bourbon claims to themselves (the Bonapartes being another matter).

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2005, 03:35:23 PM »
Which pretender would you support?
I'd argue for Louis XX, since he is the lawful king.
Quotation:
"Selon la règle de primogéniture masculine et en application du principe d'indisponibilité de la Couronne,
le prétendant actuel à la Couronne de France serait Louis-Alphonse, duc de Bourbon, né en 1974."
France became not at last a republic, because the monarchists were divided into three groups.
I once read that an attempt to restore the monarchy with Henry (V) as king failed only because Henry was not willing to use the tricolore as national coat of arms...he insisted on the traditonal Fleur de Lys.
As he expressed it himself:
 «Je ne laisserai pas arracher de mes mains l'étendard d'Henri IV, de François 1er et de Jeanne d'Arc. C'est avec lui que s'est faite l'unité nationale... Il a flotté sur mon berceau, je veux qu'il ombrage ma tombe... Français ! Henri V ne peut abandonner le drapeau blanc d'Henri IV».
(The last sentence means: Henry V cannot give up the white coat of arms of Henri IV)
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2005, 03:05:01 AM »
Yesterday it was 200 years to the day of Napoléon's victory at Austerlitz:
http://www.independent.co.uk/europe/article330450.ece
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2005, 12:32:14 AM »
On the idea of who I'd support I'd support Henri VII because he's the most french. Don Luis is mostly Spanish. I'd go for Henri. But the fact of the matter is there's only dissolution of monarchies. I don't expect any new or returning monarchies in the coming years.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2005, 12:28:21 PM »
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On the idea of who I'd support I'd support Henri VII because he's the most french. Don Luis is mostly Spanish. I'd go for Henri. But the fact of the matter is there's only dissolution of monarchies. I don't expect any new or returning monarchies in the coming years.

Sadly no.:( There are some chances, but not very probable.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2006, 02:57:48 PM »
Why can't you stand those who support the legitimate King - Louis XX.  Is it a defect of ours or of yours?

As for being the most French - who is more French than France's king?  He's certainly as French as his ancestor Louis XIV - who also had a Spanish mother, I believe.
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2006, 04:46:04 PM »


Well, don Luis was born and brought up in Madrid, that is why people say he is Spanish. And both of his parents are Spanish, his father being born in Rome, though. So yes, I agree that Henri is much more of a French prince than Luis Alfonso. However, by "male primogeniture laws" he is King Louis XX of France, and he is the one I would support.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2006, 08:22:47 AM »
LOL I think the idea of monarchy coming to France is ludicrous! Lunacy! France is the epitome of republicanism, it's Marianne, it's the Marseillaise, it's Madame Guillotine, it's Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette... in my opinion, if Luis "XX" or anyone else thinks truly that he is the rightful heir of Franc.e.. think again ;) It's like the Catholic pretender to the throne of England!

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2006, 11:36:20 AM »
Even so...Duke Franz has an higher chance  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2006, 12:27:54 PM »
The throne of France is an interesting subject, and a tricky one, since one must go back hundreds of years to the Treaty of Utrecht.   Later, when the Comte de Chambord died in 1883, many Frenchmen turned to the Comte de Paris, grandson of Louis Philippe.  Others turned to Don Juan de Bourbon (Spain), Chambord's brother-in-law, and Head of the House of Bourbon until his own death in 1887. Chambord's widow, Marie Therese of Austria-Este, opposed the Orleanist claim.

Today, this issue is rather moot, as the French throne is almost certainly gone for good.  I am not an Orleanist.  Neither do I support the young Duc d' Anjou.   If one is a strict royalist, Anjou is the product of a morganatic union, since his mother had no royal or noble blood in her.  And how he, himself, has married a commoner.  In the past, this would have disqualified him from the throne (as was the case with the descendents of the Habsburg Franz Ferdinand in Austria.  If he had lived, he would have become Emperor, but his children by Grafin Sophie Chotek(spelling?)  were entirely disqualified).   By the way, the Duc d'Anjou's father died in a tragic skiing accident in the U.S. in 1989----he was nearly beheaded.

On the other hand, the Orleans family has the terrible legacy of the Duc d'Orleans, who voted for the death of Louis XVI, and Louis Philippe, who usurped the throne in 1830.   However, if one is holding to the strict letter of the law according to the 300-year-old Treaty of Utrecht, the current Comte de Paris has the clearest claim to the French throne today.

Since we're discussing thrones and marriages and bloodlines, let's not forget that the current heir of the Spanish throne, the son of King Juan Carlos, married a commoner.   So that royal line has been diluted (actually, it was severely diluted by Isabella II, none of whose children were the offspring of her husband/cousin--who was nicknamed "Fanny" and almost certainly homosexual).
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