The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility

[BorbonFan]

I just caught the last couple of pages of this, so I'm probably missing something, but haven't a great many of Nostradamus' predictions not come through? Also, BorbonFan, were you saying that Nostradumus' prophesies speak for God? Please don't say I'm putting words in your mouth, because that was just the impression I got and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Anyway, I was always brought up with the notion that one should not put their faith in psychics and those that predict the future.

Dueteronomy 18:10-12 says Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,
nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead. For the Lord abhorreth all these things, and for these abominations he will destroy them at thy coming.

There is a noted psychic, Sylvia Browne. She prophesses to have great faith in God. She has also predicted that the Pope would die every year until he finally did and then that he would be succeeded by a pope of African descent. She, like Nostradamus, is right sometimes and wrong sometimes -despite her faith in God.

It's fun to look at things like prophesies and things fortune tellers and psychics say, but it can be dangerous when people say that they will happen. Putting your faith in man for anything is never a good idea. Just saying.

I agree that magic, psychics, and (most) omens are the work of the devil and are condemned by the Church. However, as I am not quite sure if Nostradamus was inspired by God or not, I deem his prophecies worthy of a reading for the time being, especially since they end with Christ's second coming and speak extensively of the Church. If I had some clear proof that he was inspired by the devil, I would definitely reject his prophecies altogether.

It is widely believed that he plagiarized a lot of the old prophecies circulating in his time. He always refused to call himself a prophet and, despite the harshness of the Inquisition, he had a good relationship with the Catholic Church, whose local bishops approved the printing of his yearly Almancs. All these appear to suggest he did not use the devil's help. However, his penchant for astrology seems to point in the opposite dark direction.

As I said, I am not a huge fan of his and so am not going to hold my breath to see if 2007 or 2008 confirms his prophecy about the Arab upheaval in the Maghreb countries. If it gets confirmed, fine, it strengthens the credibility of the prophecies of God's saints, much more likely than a sinner like him to receive such prophecies from God. If it is not confirmed, then Nostradamus was probably not a God's man or I am not doing a good job interpreting them. Perhaps then I may consider doing a more focused background search on him to see if he did engage or not in occult practices and if found guilty, forget about him for ever.

[Marlene]

Second coming indeed -- I think Jesus has always been here ....

I've read Nostradamus too, and I think he's totally off=base.  I used to think that his prophecies referred to the Mets winning the world series every year .... well, perhaps this year.  But he keeps getting it wrong.

[I agree that magic, psychics, and (most) omens are the work of the devil and are condemned by the Church. However, as I am not quite sure if Nostradamus was inspired by God or not, I deem his prophecies worthy of a reading for the time being, especially since they end with Christ's second coming and speak extensively of the Church. If I had some clear proof that he was inspired by the devil, I would definitely reject his prophecies altogether.

It is widely believed that he plagiarized a lot of the old prophecies circulating in his time. He always refused to call himself a prophet and, despite the harshness of the Inquisition, he had a good relationship with the Catholic Church, whose local bishops approved the printing of his yearly Almancs. All these appear to suggest he did not use the devil's help. However, his penchant for astrology seems to point in the opposite dark direction.:

As I said, I am not a huge fan of his and so am not going to hold my breath to see if 2007 or 2008 confirms his prophecy about the Arab upheaval in the Maghreb countries. If it gets confirmed, fine, it strengthens the credibility of the prophecies of God's saints, much more likely than a sinner like him to receive such prophecies from God. If it is not confirmed, then Nostradamus was probably not a God's man or I am not doing a good job interpreting them. Perhaps then I may consider doing a more focused background search on him to see if he did engage or not in occult practices and if found guilty, forget about him for ever.

[Kimberly]

I think that some of his prophesies are hoaxes. For example, the quatrain that supposedly predicted the attack on the Twin Towers. Didn't Nostradamus use astrology as well as the bible for his prophesies?

[BorbonFan]

I think that some of his prophesies are hoaxes. For example, the quatrain that supposedly predicted the attack on the Twin Towers. Didn't Nostradamus use astrology as well as the bible for his prophesies?

Being so cryptic, N's prophecies lend themselves to extremely varied interpretations, most of which have been wrong. That is not to say that the prophecies themselves are wrong -- interpretation and prophecy are obviously two wholly different things. A lot of the so-called experts interpret them for pure financial gains, telling people in various books what they fear most to hear to make money off of people's fear.

I, for one, haven't yet and will not publish anything on him to gain any money, but instead am looking at N. from a strictly Christian angle (something I believe is unique to all his interpreters so far) for a greater glory of God and of His saints. If, as I said, my stricly Christian interpretation of VI 54 proves to be erroneous, I may try another Christian key, but definitely not something non-Christian. Instead I may, as I said, closely investigate N's links to the occult. I haven't done it yet since I don't want to pay money to clarify this issue, but will certainly do so if necessary.

God bless!

[Taren]

Supposedly you can use the Bible Code to predict world events. There was a program about it some time ago. I found it pretty convincing -until it was shown that you can do the same with a copy of Moby Dick. I think that some prophesies are intentionally rather vague, so that current information may be easily plugged in, so to speak.

[BorbonFan]

Supposedly you can use the Bible Code to predict world events. There was a program about it some time ago. I found it pretty convincing -until it was shown that you can do the same with a copy of Moby Dick. I think that some prophesies are intentionally rather vague, so that current information may be easily plugged in, so to speak.

My litmus test for whether or not a prophecy/prediction is God-sent is the following: does that prophecy imply a spiritual betterment (repentance, increase in faith) or not? Any prophecy that speaks of God, of repentance, of faith in Him and Jesus Christ, all of which imply spiritual betterment, is very likely God-sent, for this is what He ultimataley expects from us. A prophecy that seeks only to give man control over his life or the lives of others (i.e. prediction of world events/political future) and says nothing of spiritual betterment is likely not from God, but Satan. No man has or ever will have such control over his/her life for total control ultimately belongs to God. To seek such control, such a power is to implicitly deny His existence and omnipotence. Hence, the Bible Code is not from God for its ultimate goal is to help individuals achieve control of their life or world events without ever mentioning spiritual betterment.

The mere fact that one uses the Bible does not make Christian a divination method such as the Bible Code. There are black satanic masses celebrated using the Bible and the Eucharist. The only divination (or better said foreseeing of the future) that is Christian is that done with the help of a Christian monk or hermit.

[Taren]

Supposedly you can use the Bible Code to predict world events. There was a program about it some time ago. I found it pretty convincing -until it was shown that you can do the same with a copy of Moby Dick. I think that some prophesies are intentionally rather vague, so that current information may be easily plugged in, so to speak.

My litmus test for whether or not a prophecy/prediction is God-sent is the following: does that prophecy imply a spiritual betterment (repentance, increase in faith) or not? Any prophecy that speaks of God, of repentance, of faith in Him and Jesus Christ, all of which imply spiritual betterment, is very likely God-sent, for this is what He ultimataley expects from us. A prophecy that seeks only to give man control over his life or the lives of others (i.e. prediction of world events/political future) and says nothing of spiritual betterment is likely not from God, but Satan. No man has or ever will have such control over his/her life for total control ultimately belongs to God. To seek such control, scuh a power is to deny His existence and omnipotence. Hence, the Bible Code is not from God for its ultimate goal is to help individuals achieve control of their life or the lives of others.
 

So then by that same token would you say that the idea of the antichrist or the beast as in Daniel and Revelations would not be a prophecy that comes from God since the antichrist has nothing to do with spiritual betterment? Sure it ushers in the millenium period, but the antichrist him/herself won't be for betterment? This is undoubtedly really off-topic, and I apologize.

[BorbonFan]

So then by that same token would you say that the idea of the antichrist or the beast as in Daniel and Revelations would not be a prophecy that comes from God since the antichrist has nothing to do with spiritual betterment? Sure it ushers in the millenium period, but the antichrist him/herself won't be for betterment? This is undoubtedly really off-topic, and I apologize.

I don't think this reply is off topic since it provides a sort of rule of thumb for weeding out demonic prophecies. The anti-christ has everything to do with spiritual betterment, for those Christians living at the end of times under his demonic rule are called by Christ to take the martyr's crown and achieve the highest level of spiritual betterment - that to lie down one's life at one's friends' feet - or else compromise with anti-christ, worship him, bear his sign, and, thus, be condemned for eternity. Through the antichrist's opressions and executions of all Christians who do not submit to him, many will be made martyr saints - thus, antichrist is the tool of spiritual betterment.

[cimbrio]

Has it already been mentioned that the Duque of Anjou's wife if pregnant? I've scrolled around but can't find a thread that covers the news, though there's not much else to be said really...

http://www.hola.com/imprimir_noticia.php?url=/famosos/2006/09/12/luisalfonso-padre/index.html

[Dmitry Russian]

Excuse me, but I have a question. What now probability of restoration of the French monarchy? How many now royalists?

[Dmitry Russian]

Thanks! I shall necessarily look these materials about the French monarchists

[lovebourbons]

Does anyone have an idea if the french monarchy was restored today where  the royal family live

Thanks,
lovebourbons

[CHRISinUSA]

It would seem a moot point to contemplate such a thing.  However, the current president has the use of the Elycee Palace and Hotel Marigny, the Fort Bregancon, the Palace of Rambouillet, the Marley Domain, and the Souzy-la-Briche residence. 

In a return to monarchy, a prime minister would have little need of so many residences for entertaining, so it would be logical for one or more of these properties to revert to the Crown.

I'm sure your real question was - would the Chateau Versailles and other enormous former royal palaces be returned to the Crown?  I doubt it - they are all museums and an integral part of the country's tourist industry.  Perhaps a "restored" monarch would have use of some areas of these properties for officail receptions and engagements.

[carl fraley]

IMO  if the French Monarchy were restored I think that it would be a major mistake to even attempt to restore Versailles to a liveable palace.

There is still the Palais Royale in Paris where the sovereign could live, and the Trianon's as a country residence, Luxembourg Palace, Paris , and they could still leave teh Elycee as the Prime Ministers residence.

[TampaBay]

Let us just but them a new palace so we have an excuse to start a new thread and discussion topic. 

TampaBay