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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #150 on: December 10, 2006, 05:42:37 AM »
In France there are still some big palaces such as Versailles (of course), but also Compiègne, Fontainebleau and other smaller such as Rambouillet. But there were other palaces such as Saint-Hubert, Choisy, La Muette, Meudon and of course Saint-Cloud and the Tuileries. All these palaces belonged to Louis XVI and Marie-antoinette. But the other members of the royal family had palaces too.
here is a list of palaces belonging to the royal family before the French Revolution :

residences of the duke of Penthièvre :
Anet
Rambouillet ( till 1783)
Chatreauneuf-sur-Loire
Bizy
Valencay
Armainvilliers
Eu
La Ferté-Vidame ( starting from 1783)
L'hôtel de Toulouse
Amboise
Sceaux
Dreux
Hôtel du grand Veneur à Versailles
Aumale
Blois

residences of the orleans family :
Le Raincy
Le Palais Royal
Le parc Monceau
Villers-Cotterêts

residences of the comte et comtesse de Provence :
Brunoy
Pavillon de Madame
Grosbois
Rocquencourt
Palais du Luxembourg
Pavillon de Monsieur in Versailles

residences of the comte et comtesse d'Artois :
Château of the faisandrie  near Chatou
Palais du Temple
Villeneuve-L'étang
Bagatelle
Maisons ( nowadays Maisons-laffitte)
Saint-Germain en Laye
Hôtel de la rue Neuve-des-Capucins (nowadays Joubert street)

residences of the prince of Conti :
L'Isle Adam
Montceaux
Palais du Temple (till 1776)

residences of the prince of Condé :
Chantilly
Palais Bourbon
Ecouen

(P.S : this list isn't exhaustive)
(some palaces of this list have now disapearead)

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #151 on: December 10, 2006, 08:36:01 AM »
.. and there was Bellevue, which belonged to the king's aunts. Great list though, Remio!

I think that if there were a restoration, the monarch would have to be in Paris, for historical reasons, to underline the constitutional nature of the restored monarchy. I can't see them residing in a "quartier populaire" like where I used to live in the XVIIIe, so that narrows it down a bit.

A rebuilt Tuileries might be an option, but it has sad memories for the Bourbons (I always thought it was rather ugly anyway! ;)). Maybe a modern architect like Jean Nouvel or Christian de Potzamparc would design anew palace for the 21st century - there are still some old railway sites that need redeveloping, so maybe some of these could be used. There are some empty sites at La Défense - maybe a skyscraper palace!
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2006, 07:26:23 AM »
According to a prophecy of the Russian saint Seraphim de Sarov, the restored Bourbons will live in Reims, because Paris will have been destroyed.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #153 on: January 27, 2007, 04:43:24 PM »
I have found two more prophecies by Orthodox and Catholic saints, which suggest that the Great Monarch long-awaited by the French will be a Spanish Bourbon, reigning over a European Christian Empire, with its capital in the South, i.e. Byzantium. Both of these prophecies speak of the same Emperor of Europe, the last one, who will enter in Jerusalem, possibly liberating it from the Muslims ("house of Hagar" - that is Abraham's slave and mother to his son, Ishmael, the biblical father of all Arabs). 

PROPHÉTIE DE SAINT RÉMY

Saint Rémi formula cette prophétie, la veille du jour où il baptisa Hlodwig (Clovis), le premier roi franc qui se convertit au christianisme en 496.

Vers la fin des temps, un descendant des rois francs régnera sur tout l'antique empire romain. Il sera le plus grand des rois de France et le dernier de sa race. Il arrivera comme par miracle. Il sera de la vieille cape. Le trône sera posé au Midi. Après un règne des plus glorieux, il ira   Jérusalem, sur le mont des Oliviers, déposer sa couronne et son sceptre, et c'est ainsi que finira le saint empire romain et chrétien.

LA PROPHÉTIE DE SAINT ISIDORE, DE SÉVILLE (560 - 636)

" ...Dans les derniers jours il règera sur la grande Espagne un roi doublement doué de piété. Et il règnera par une femme dont le nom commence par Y et finira L. Et le dit roi viendra des régions orientales et il règnera dans sa jeunesse. Lui-même combattra les impuretés des Espagnes, et ce que le feu ne dévorera pas, le glaive le dévastera. Il règnera sur la maison d'Agar et obtiendra Jérusalem. Il posera le signe de la Croix sur le saint Sépulcre et ce sera un très grand Monarque."

Source: http://orthodoxie.club.fr/bul/90.htm

My translation:

THE PROPHECY OF SAINT RÉMY

Saint Remi formulated this prophecy, the day before he baptized Hlodwig (Clovis), the first Frankish King who converted to Christianity in 496.

"Towards the end of time, a descendant of the Frankish kings will reign on all the antique Roman empire. It will be greatest of the kings of France and the last of his race. He will come as by miracle. He will be of the old cape. The throne will be posed at the South. After a most glorious reign, he will go to Jerusalem, on the Mount of Olives, to deposit his crown and sceptre, and thus will finish the holy Roman and Christian empire."

THE PROPHECY OF SAINT ISIDORE OF SEVILLE (560 - 636)

“…In the last days he will reign over the greater Spain a king doubly endowed with piety. And he will reign through a woman whose name starts with Y and finishes in L. And the said king will come from the Eastern areas and reign in his youth. He himself will fight the impurities of the Spaniards and what fire will not devour, the sword will devastate it. He will reign over the house of Hagar and will obtain Jerusalem. He will put the sign of the cross on the Holy Sepulchre and will be a very great Monarch.”

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2007, 05:55:08 AM »
St. Isidore's prophecy speaks of a Great Monarch and Spanish King, one and the same, who will reign through a woman whose name starts with Y and ends in L. If taken phonetically, this woman's name cannot be any other except Isabel (Ysabel has the same pronounciation), i.e. Queen Isabel II. Since all the Borbons after Isabel II essentially have reigned thanks to her own reign, it is pretty clear that this means the prophecy is not about other dyansties, but only about the Spanish Borbon Kings, from amongst whom one will become the Great Monarch. And since St. Remi speaks of the same Great Monarch in France, who will one day enter Jerusalem to end his reign, just as St. Isidore does, it follows that both St. Remi and St. Isidore are talking about one and the same Great Monarch - a Spanish Bourbon (Borbon) King.

Given all the signs of a God's chosen one displayed by Prince Felipe of Asturias, I believe he will be the next King of France as well as of Spain.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #155 on: June 05, 2007, 03:26:52 AM »
How are you finding the information on their chromosomes? like J Haplotype? Is there a posting of DNA information somewhere on royal families? I was interested to read although I don't have the reference of a DNA test run on indigenous Natives either in Alaska or the Northeast U.S. and they found the skeleton tested 30,000 years old and that somewhere around the 20,000 mark they had picked up a DNA marking that would be found in France!! and it shocked them because they were expecting it to be Eastern as in China!! DNA is interesting....
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #156 on: June 05, 2007, 05:42:38 AM »
The descendance from Karl the great can be found very nicely at genea.portugal, as the portughese kings descended from the Capets and french kings (early ones) so this port. site had a lot of work with leading back many later emperors (also the Capets, and Bourbons, Orléans etc) to Karl the Great. It´s fascinating!
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #157 on: June 08, 2007, 03:34:35 AM »
Oh, that´s nice. It would be something for Dmitry.... ;D but he has disappeared ;D ;D
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2007, 06:48:58 PM »
I read that the French legitimists consider Luis Alfonso de Bourbon as a legitimate heir to the French throne. Luis Alfonso is the great grandson of the Spanish King Alfonso XIII and the descendant of the grandson of the French King Louis XIV Philippe who became a Spanish King after the death of the previous suzerain of Spain Carlos II in 1700. But, unfortunately, there was a war for the Spanish inheritance, which ended with Utrecht Peacy Treaty. The Spanish King Philippe’s renunciation the French throne was one of the terms of the Utrecht Peacy Treaty. I read that the French legitimists consider Philippe’s renunciation as invalid because the right to the French throne was unalienable for each member of the Capetiens House. I read that the French legitimists consider Luis Alfonso de Bourbon as the eldest representative of the Capetiens House. So this prince is the head of the Capetiens House and therefore legitimate claimant to the French throne. But I think there is a little “but”. I suppose that French laws of succession to the throne must concern France and French throne, but mustn’t concern any foreign state. I think that the Spanish kingdom must be separate from the French laws of succession to the throne. I read that the grandson of the French King Louis XIV Philippe received the Spanish throne under the condition that Spain and France shouldn’t be united by the United Kingdom. But Louis XIV made a mistake when he set Philippe as an heir to the French throne. The war for the Spanish inheritance is the result of the mistake of Louis XIV. Philippe became a Spanish King, but he abdicated the rights to the French throne. Sicilian, Parmesan and Spanish Bourbons are the direct descendants of the grandson of Louis XIV Philippe. But I do not know, if they have rights to the French throne because their direct ancestor abdicated the French throne.

The Orleans family is the part of the Capetiens House. But sadly known Philippe Egalite (who voted for the execution of Louis XVI) and his only survived son Louis-Philippe (who is revolutionary king of the crowd and barricades) are the direct ancestors of the current Orleans family.

What is an ironical smile of the fate!!!!!!!

The descendants of the regicide and revolutionary king of the crowd and barricades are real heirs of the french throne!

By all means I am not a supporter of the Orleans family.
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #159 on: June 19, 2007, 02:30:39 AM »
Oh, that´s nice. It would be something for Dmitry.... ;D but he has disappeared ;D ;D

oh yeah,well,that was wishfull thinking.
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« Reply #160 on: June 19, 2007, 02:34:34 AM »
I don´t know why you consider the Spanish War of Inheritance after the death of Karl II. in 1700 "a result of a mistake of Louis XIV", Dmitry.  I think the story about this war is much more complex, I had a lesson on the Spanish Inheritance War two years ago at my university and there we discussed it thoroughtly, shortly said Philippe V. became king of Spain, because there Karl II died without any children, and therefore Philippe was the closest in blood line: Karl II was the son of the Spanish king Philippe IV whereas the mother of Ludwig was Philippe IV's sister, and Ludwig's wife was Karl II's halfsister. So in the later Philippe V. there was the blood of the Spanish Hapsburgs twice. In his last will Karl II. named Philipp, grandson of Louis XIV. to his official successor, even when there are doubts that this was done without any influence of the other side on the physically very weak king. Temporarily there were also other candidates, like the little son of Max. II Emanuel of Bavaria, because he was the son of Maria Antonia of Habsburg, and also the later emperor Karl VI (who called himself "Kalrl III". as spanish king) was seen as (candidate of being) spanish king, he was also sitting in Spain as "real" king and was seen so by his fellow people. But he gave (or better said had to give up) his plans for Spain, when became heir as holy roman emperor after the sudden death of his brother Joseph I.  
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #161 on: June 22, 2007, 06:29:11 AM »
As I understood correctly, the right of each member of the Capetiens House to the French throne is inalienable. The Spanish Bourbons are the direct descendants of Louis XIV, but also they are Capetiens, so they have an irrefutable right to the French throne. The princes of the Orleans family are the direct descendants of Louis XIII (the father of Louis XIV) and the youngest line of the Capetiens House. Therefore the Spanish Bourbons have a preference over the Orleans House. The renunciation of the Spanish king Philippe is invalid for the French legitimists, so Luis Alfonso de Bourbon is the rightful heir to the French throne.
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #162 on: June 29, 2008, 04:46:14 PM »
I am here for the first time and wish  to get acquainted with you.

Who is the lawful and legitimate successor of the French throne?
I shall be very glad and grateful for your answers.

Who  is the Successor of the French throne?

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« Reply #163 on: June 30, 2008, 04:53:52 PM »


Very nice and pleasant man!
He would be very good and best king of France!!!

Has anybody any photos of Louis XX, duc d'Anjou?

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #164 on: July 01, 2008, 09:45:21 AM »
I am here for the first time and wish  to get acquainted with you.

Who is the lawful and legitimate successor of the French throne?
I shall be very glad and grateful for your answers.

Who  is the Successor of the French throne?

You mean to say you are here for the first time under this alias,we know you are a Bourbonfan dear.
Not that a restauration of the Throne is eminent in France,nor ever will be again,in case,just in case,
I prefer Charles Prince Napoléon over all sorts of lines of Bourbons/Orléans.
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