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Offline LouisOrleans

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #180 on: July 29, 2008, 06:44:00 PM »
I have pictures of Louis XX and his wife, and daughter.




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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #181 on: August 02, 2008, 11:15:55 AM »
There is a thread on Louis XX and there these pics are already....please have a look also there...!
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #182 on: August 03, 2008, 03:37:41 AM »
The only requirement for French royal marriages was that the bride be a Catholic. France did not have morganatic marriages.

So does it means, that House of Orleans has its own law of "succession" and rules of "morganatic" and "non-morganatic" marriages?
See notices in Paul Theroff genealogy of France:
Thibaut (youngest son of Henri, Comte de Paris) Louis Denis Humbert Marie, Cte de la Marche (Sintra, Portugal 20 Jan 1948-Bamingui, Central Africa 23 Mar 1983); m. morganatically, according to Orléanist house law)(Edinburgh 23 Sep 1972 Marion Gordon-Orr (b.Santiago, Chile 4 Sep 1942)

It's up to the Head of the Dynasty as to who is recognised. The last Count of Paris excluded several of his children and his son has recognised them and given them Royal titles. Meanwhile in the Bonaparte dynasty Pr Napoleon left the claim to his grandson. I'm not sure anyone recognises the self styled Duke of Anjou...well, he is not French for a start. Next his marriage is hardly illustrious.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #183 on: August 03, 2008, 06:17:03 AM »
Don't royal families just love to argue over who will sit on the throne. France and Russia have something in common in that regard.
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #184 on: August 03, 2008, 06:55:42 AM »
I can't imagine anyone descended from Franco would be acceptable on any throne...discusss

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #185 on: August 03, 2008, 07:15:08 AM »
I hope not. He does not shine in the history books and is best forgotton 

I can't imagine anyone descended from Franco would be acceptable on any throne...discusss
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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #186 on: August 20, 2008, 03:58:26 PM »
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The renunciation of the Spanish king Philippe is invalid for the French legitimists, so Luis Alfonso de Bourbon is the rightful heir to the French throne.

Yes but what of Luis Alfonso de Bourbon's descent from Isabella II of Spain? I believe that French Salic Law prevents this descent from a woman.

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« Reply #187 on: August 20, 2008, 07:54:05 PM »
I spent some time making this family tree that this shows the Line of Sucession to the French Throne from Louis XIII downwards. I show all the eldest sons but no women since this is the line to the French throne. I hope this makes it eaiser to see all the claimants.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #189 on: August 20, 2008, 08:32:42 PM »
This looks very interesting is there a way to make them even larger? :)

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #190 on: August 21, 2008, 03:27:49 AM »
Why three claimants to the throne of France? I kow only two: Luis Alfonso de Borbon y Martinez Bordiù et Henri d'Orléans, "comte de Paris" (75 years old).His son, Jean, is "dauphin" for the moment.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #191 on: January 15, 2010, 07:32:42 AM »
It just struck me one day, that although the chances of an actual French restoration are next to nil, there is a rather great theoretical chance for it: The third largest political party in France is Front National and although officially committed to the Republic, they are to some (which?) degree composed of and supported by royalists, along with the more vocal traditional Catholics, racists, neofascists and just plain dissatisfied silent majority, aren't they?

Although the Orléanist movement Action Française has supported Socialist presidential candidates, they threw their weight behind Jean-Marie Le Pen in the 2007 presidential elections. Le Pen's success has been credited to his ability to bring together the various counter-revolutionary, anti-republican "right-wing families of France". Does anybody know if Le Pen (still) is a monarchist? According to Wikipedia, he started his political career with selling the Orléanist Action Française's newspaper "Aspects de la France".

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #192 on: January 15, 2010, 12:17:40 PM »
So cute Mr.Taimennyi sovetnik 

I love the way you put the issue of monarchy in France. The monarchists are not either all black or all white. Gray Trianon is also possible. Obviously the way you labelled your question shows some prejudices. It's normal. It's young at heart and lovely. Some members of nobility in France more tories then the duke of Devonshire (in terms of attachment to preservation of historical heritage) are strictly socialist and do not want to spell the word Le Pen.

Some monarchist in France beleived in continuity, history and symbol other then central Paris in order to assemble ALL the French together. A king and a Queen would be most welcome for them on the trone of Louis the Saint.

If that is a solution for you regarding that issue and the one in Monaco, maybe you could ask Charlotte Casiragi if she is encline to spouse a prince d'Orléans, a Limburg Stirum or a Sambucy de Sorgue.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #193 on: January 16, 2010, 01:54:46 PM »
I think Sarkozy is enough. We should be glad that we have democracy. It´s my opinion.

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Re: The restoration of Monarchy in France, pretenders and possibility
« Reply #194 on: January 16, 2010, 02:49:16 PM »
For the man by his nature always is not enough;).

I must say that France have a very specific democracy. Nothing from classical Liberalism, free market, Adam Smith, Alfred Marshall, etc.....But anyway, it's better to have a "specific" and even not the best democracy (or better Liberalism) with big socialism supplement, than something else.

I also wonder, if the France have now any people (if they are exist, then how much?) who wanted restore Monarchy, 200 years after the Revolution? This must be a stupid question, but anyway. Can someone from France tell me this?

Thanks in advance.
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