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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2005, 12:07:14 PM »
So aside from worrying about getting her throat cut or being garroted, she probably didn't get much sleep anyway!  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2005, 04:22:48 AM »
ha ha ha! No, I suppose she didn't!

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2005, 12:48:26 PM »
I'd like to know more of Catherine of Lancaster, John of Gaunt's daughter - I think she was called 'Catalina' in Spain...
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2005, 07:18:53 AM »
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This Urraca about whom you are talking is Queen Urraca of Zamora, a Castilian infanta, daughter of King Ferdinand I and Sanchia of Leon. When Ferdinand died he divided his reign between his children: Sancho II received Castile, Alfonso VI received Leon, García received Galicia, Urraca received Zamora and Elvira received Toro. Urraca had been a lover of her brother Alfonso VI (giving him a daughter who ended her days as a nun) and Elvira, mother of Jimena (the Cid's wife), had also very probably been Alfonso's mistress.  


Was Urraca Ferdinand's daughter or was she his grand daughter - is it possible that Urraca was Alfonso's VI daughter, and Alfonso VI being son of Ferdinand?

I've been looking on this link:
http://genealogia.netopia.pt/pessoas/pes_show.php?id=30

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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2005, 07:56:55 AM »
Hi Daniela !

No, this is another Urraca! Umigon put me right on this at the top of the page.

The elder Urraca (1033-1101), sister of Alfonso VI, was only Queen of Zamora. The younger Urraca (1082-1126), the daughter of Alfonso, was Queen of Castile. It is the elder lady who appears in the film "The Cid". Hope I got that correctly!

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2005, 09:42:38 AM »
I am interested in Constance of Castile and Leon, who married John, Duke of Lancaster.  I find John listed as titlular King of Castile and Leon.  Is this correct?

I know their daughter married Enrique III of Castile and Leon.

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2005, 10:56:53 AM »
John did indeed declare himself King of Castile and Leon in right of his wife, but it was an empty claim. As you say, their one daughter Catalina married Enrique III.
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2005, 08:25:46 PM »
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I'd like to know more of Catherine of Lancaster, John of Gaunt's daughter - I think she was called 'Catalina' in Spain...

Yes, 'Catalina' is the Spanish form of 'Catherine'. She was born in 1373 in Hertford, England. She was the only child of John of Gaunt by his wife Constance of Castile. She was tall and blonde. As you know, in 1388 she married King Henry III of Castile and had three children by him: Maria, who married King Alfonso V of Aragon; Catalina, who married Henry of Aragon; and Juan II, King of Castile. When Henry died in 1406, her son John succeeded and Catherine acted as Regent of Castile because he was still a minor. She died on 2 June 1418 in Valladolid and is buried in Toledo with her husband.
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2005, 03:43:38 AM »
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I'd like to know more of Catherine of Lancaster, John of Gaunt's daughter - I think she was called 'Catalina' in Spain...

A famous crown made in gold was created for the first princess of Asturias. this jewel does not exists. Her sister Philippa was queen of Portugal, a great queen. These anglo-iberian marriages took origin in the Castile civil war between Pero I el Cruel and Enrique de Trastámara, who started the new dinasty. Catherine was a link with the former dinasty because lancastrians claimed their castilian rights trough the daughters of Pedro I who married english princes of that house.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2005, 04:24:30 PM »
Thanks trentk80 and crotalo. Does anyone know if Catalina had any contact with her English half sliblings, Henry IV and his sisters Philippa and Elizabeth, or the Beauforts?
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2005, 09:29:07 PM »
I recently read a Spanish biography of Catherine of Lancaster. The book mentions that she had contact with her half siblings during her childhood, especially Philippa, who was close to her stepmother Constance. And years later, while being Queen of Castile, Catherine had an affectionate correspondence with her half-brother King Henry IV of England.
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2005, 06:29:22 AM »
Catalina and Enrique were firstly married in 1388, when Catalina was 15 and Enrique only 9! Too young for the marriage being consummated. So they had to wait until 1393, when another wedding ceremony was held. By then Catalina was 20 and Enrique was 14.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2005, 07:08:49 AM »
Urraca and Elvira were sometimes called Queens of Toro and Zamora. They conspired with their favourite brother Alfonos VI against the other two brothers in order to gain more land, wealth and status.
They certainly didn't have an incestous relationship with Alfonso, because ifso it would be mentioned in the annals of that period. He was just their partner in crime.

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2005, 07:23:53 AM »
      Inés of Aquitaine (1052-1097), first wife of Alfonso VI. Married  1069, anullment in 1077.
·      Constanza of Burgundy (1046-1093), second wife of Alfonso VI. Married 1081, mother of Queen Urraca I.
·      Berta of Burgundy (1080-1097), third wife of Alfonso VI. Marrried in 1093.
·      Isabel of Aquitaine (1074-1104), fourth wife of Alfonso VI. Married in 1097.
·      Beatriz of Sicily (1090-1110), fifth wife of Alfonso VI. Married in 1108.


The list above is full with speculations.
Ines (Agnes) was born in 1059 (her parents married in 1058) and lived well after 1110. She remarried with Elias, Comte du Maine.

His first marriage was to Agnes of Aquitaine in 1069. He repudiated her, apparently after 27 June 1080, and on 8 May 1081 he was remarried to Constance of Burgundy.
Prior to this, he is reported by Orderic (IIRC) to have been espoused to
Agatha, daughter of William the Conqueror, but she was so aghast at marrying a barbarian that she died in a funk prior to the wedding - that is the Agatha above.

During this time he had as mistress a lady named
Jimena Munoz.  Queen Constance was dead before 22 November 1093 and in December 1094

After the death of Constance, Alfonso married Berta, whose background is not definitely  known (it has been conjectured that she was a daughter of Margrave Azzo II of Este by Gersende of Maine). Berta died on 25 January 1100.
Other sources say that Berthe was:
Berta de Bourgogne, was a sister of the same Raimond de Bourgogne who married Urraca I, and was probably born about the year 1070.
Berthe d'Aquitaine, halfsister of the Agnes above. Since Agnes was divorced because she was to strong related to Alfonso VI, it would be strange that Berthe would descent from the same family.

After Berta's death Alfonso may have married his mistress Zaida-Isabella. If so, she died before him as he
later had a wife named Beatrice, about whose background nothing is recorded

Zaida, baptized as Isabella, was the mother of
Sancho, illegitimate son of King Alfonso, born during his marriage to
Bertha, as you have indicated.  Sancha and Elvira, however, are reported
as legitimate daughters of Alfonso, born by his wife Queen Isabella (by
the same source that names Zaida - it names his wives and thir children
including Isabella having Elvira and Sancha, and it then names his
mistresses and their children, including Zaida/Isabella having Sancho,
without giving any indication that the two were the same woman).  It is
only if Queen Isabella was identical to Zaida/Isabella that these
Infantas are full siblings of Sancho.

Alfonso married _an_ Isabella in 1102, and she appears as queen in 17
documents through 1106.  Her (apparently non-contemporary) funerary
stone calls her daughter of Louis of France (hence she is the 'Elizabeth
of France' named above, Isabella and Elizabeth being alternative forms
of the same name), but this is chronologically impossible as well as
there being no French mention of this seemingly noteworthy union.  It
has been suggested that she may have been Louis' god-daughter.  Again,
Burgundy and Aquitaine have been tapped as possible origins.  Likewise,
it has been suggested that she might have been Zaida.

In yet another hypothesis, based on a document of Mar. 1106 which
reports "regnante rege illdefonso in legione eiusdemque helisabet regina
sub maritali copula legaliter aderente" suggested to Reilly that the
king had recently married a former mistress, and thus there were two
successive Isabellas: first the 'Queen Isabella', mother of the two
daughters, married in 1102, then Zaida/Isabella - the Helisabet of 1106.
  However, this explanation requires a divorce from one Isabella to
marry the other (perhaps) as the 'French' Isabella is said to have died
in 1107 (on the same memorial stone that makes her daughter of Louis).


In November of 1107 (a corrupt and poorly dated document), an Isabella
last appears as queen.  Beatrice was queen by May, 1108.  She is said to
be French by a late writer, and a near-contemporary indicates that she
survived Alfonso and went back to her home country.




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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2005, 07:38:39 AM »
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Urraca and Elvira were sometimes called Queens of Toro and Zamora. They conspired with their favourite brother Alfonos VI against the other two brothers in order to gain more land, wealth and status.
They certainly didn't have an incestous relationship with Alfonso, because ifso it would be mentioned in the annals of that period. He was just their partner in crime.



In fact, Aron, it is mentioned somewhere. Alfonso and Urraca were certainly lovers and Urraca even tried to marry him, after reading a Greek manuscript in which it was said that Ancient Egypt's pharaos married their sisters and daughters to preserve royal blood. She ended imprisoned in a convent on her brother's orders. It is possible that they had a daughter together that died as a nun!


Elvira could have been, but that's just speculation. Elvira was the mother of Jimena, wife of el Cid.
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