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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #60 on: September 18, 2006, 05:14:16 PM »
Thanks, Marc! She´s a nice girl, but not a beauty as her half-sister Amelia/Amelie. Do you know anything about her life?

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« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2006, 01:31:22 PM »

Therese Mathilde and her sisters were educated at the court of Darmstadt by their maternal grandmother Marie Louise. When Therese was old enough to marry, her father thought of an English prince, maybe even of the Prince of Wales. But then Carl Anselm of Thurn und Taxis asked Queen Charlotte of England for help. They decided that Therese should Carl Anselm’s son Karl Alexander. The couple met each other in May 1789 for the first time and fell in love. Only two or three weeks later, Therese and Karl Alexander married in the castle of Neustrelitz.

Carl Anselm has already been very ill and so the hereditary prince and his wife had to do a lot of representation. In 1790 they participated at Emperor Leopold II.’s coronation and two years later they went to Frankfurt am Main to see Franz II.’s coronation.  Later she met Napoléon in Paris. In the first years of her marriage, Therese was interested in art and literature, but soon she also got interested in politics. In her opinion it was her duty to fight for the rights of her family, especially for their sovereignty and their rights concerning the postal services.  Therese also represented her family during the Congress of Vienna. She was called “the only man in the Thurn und Taxis family”. The most important men, for example Metternich, Talleyrand and Alexander of Russia, met in her room and talked about what to do in Europe.

As her husband Karl Alexander was only interested in hunting, Therese started to have some intimate relationships. Therese is the alleged mistress of Alexander of Russia and Talleyrand. As we have already mentioned, she also had some illegitimate children by Maximilian Lerchenfeld. In fact, his job was only to accompany Therese on her travels. When Maximilian died, Therese wasn’t mourning for long. She met her new lover Alexander von Miltitz in Dresden in 1810. Three years later, Therese had a miscarriage and became seriously ill. From that time on, she retired.
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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2006, 01:44:19 PM »
Therese Mathilde and Karl Alexander had eight children:

1) Charlotte Louise (1790-1790)
2) Georg Karl (1792-1795)
3) Maria Theresia (1794-1874)
4) Louise Friederike (1798-1798)
5) Maria Sophia Dorothea (1800-1870)
6) Maximilian Karl (1802-1871)
7) Friedrich Wilhelm (1805-1825)
8.) Friedrich Johann Nepomuk (1772-1805)


Maria Theresia's husband was the Austrian ambassador at the English court in London.
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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2006, 01:49:27 PM »
Mathilde Therese's son hereditary prince Maximilian Karl married his first beloved wife Wilhelmine von Dörnberg ("Mimi") against the will of his mother Therese.
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« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2006, 05:06:31 PM »
 It seems to me that Theresa Mathilda had a very passionate life. Can you add information about her children, please? ;)
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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2006, 02:36:36 PM »
Dear Yseult,

I'm not at the source of supply concerning the Thurn und Taxis. I only have two books about them.

Georg Karl, the first son of the hereditary prince and his wife Therese, died at the age of three. They were devastated, because they didn't have another son ... Maximilian Karl was finally born in 1802.

Maximilan Karl and his youngest brother Friedrich Wilhelm were educated in Hofwyl in Switzerland from 1816-1820. In 1825 he traveled to Italy and Switzerland. On his way back home he had an accident near Schloss Taxis. He fell off his horse and was hurt seriously. He died on September 7th.



 
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« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2006, 04:17:58 PM »
I´m really grateful, Marie! I have enjoyed so much reading what you have writted about Therese Mathilde and her family, and, of course, looking at all these wonderful portraits.

Thanks a lot and a great smile!

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« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2006, 05:34:13 AM »
Lovely portraits!Are there any of the other members of the family?Specially of Helene von Thurn und Taxis(Sissi's sister) or her husband?

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« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2006, 05:29:27 PM »
One more of Eugen Alexander...

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« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2006, 05:37:36 PM »
And here is a portrait of Maria Augusta von Thurn und Taxis,later Duchess von Wuerttemberg,ancestor of many royals,including Queen Elisabeth II...if you have some more colour portraits(they are wonderful),please post and specially if you have of Maria Augusta...

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« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2007, 02:13:27 PM »
Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis.
In memory of
Prince Paul Maximilian Lamoral, cr Herr von Fels by the King of Bavaria 1879 (b. 27 May 1843- d. Cannes 10 Mar 1879); m. Astheim 7 Jun 1868 Elise Kreutzer
  1e) Heinrich von Fels (b. 30th June 1867-  ); m.NN

„Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis was disowned by his haughty family, and resigned from the Bavarian Army” Desmond Chapman-Houston. “Paul had kept a secret diary, about the alliance between him and Ludwig, where he wrote his inner most thoughts. After Ludwig turned his back on Paul, and his indiscretion, the von Thurn und Taxis family destroyed all evidence of Paul, including diary, photos etc” Christopher McIntosh.

The only memories left of Paul is his letters to his beloved Ludwig. Most of this correspondent is preserved in the archives of the Wittelsbachs family. Some time before his death Ludwig demanded all his letters to Paul returned from the von Thurn und Taxis family to him. Some are copied in the book written by Desmond Chapman-Houston.

 Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis.   “Ludwig’s first and most intimate relationship had undoubtedly been with his aide-de-camp Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis. The to young men where lost in a rush of romantic enthusiasm. They spend every moment together, in the silent countryside, in the dark alpine forests, racing from one hunting lodge to the next to curl up alone together before roaring fires, in each others arms” Greg King.“Beloved Ludwig! Oh Ludwig, you could not have made me happier than by calling me to your side, you ask whether I thought of you-you know that you are my only thought…that your image is always before my eyes!” “I will always think of you in love. Farewell dear Ludwig, I embrace you and press you to my faithful heart” Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis.“Their love affair started some time before 27th of October 1863, and had a very great impact on both, but for Paul, Ludwig would be his only love until the day he died” Christopher McIntosh.

“The second occasion Ludwig went out on his own was equally significant, he made his way to the door of his new friend and aide-de-camp. The apartment was situated in 82 Türken Strasse, and Paul had undoubtedly taken it to be near the Residenz” Desmond Chapman-Houston.

To continue....

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« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2007, 02:16:29 PM »
“Let me assure you that I shall always foster with the same sincerity the feelings of gratefulness and faithful love which I bear for you in my heart. Remember with love, your faithful Ludwig” Written by Ludwig II to Paul. Edir Grein aka. Erwin Riedinger.

“Ludwig had already decided that he must have Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis all to himself, it makes it plain that in their intimacy, as was inevitable, it was Ludwig who took the initiative” Desmond Chapman-Houston.

“But soon that confidence was to receive a jolt. Jealous tongues had started to wag, attempting to discredit the Ludwig’s companion, and evil and untrue rumours reached Ludwig’s ears that Paul lived a frivolous life. Having little malice in his own nature, Ludwig could never get used to it in others and at first he probably took the rumours about Paul at face value” Christopher McIntosh.

“But for all the protestations of undying love, the relationship was doomed. Ludwig’s feelings for his friend grew deeper and developed into great love, but the friendship was so precariously balanced that the slightest tremor of reality threatened to send it plummeting to oblivion. Paul again “faltered” making a wrong choice, saying the wrong word, displaying too much familiarity on one occasion and not enough affection on another. Trivial in themselves, such incidents preyed upon Ludwig’s mind until they became unbearable. Once and for all, he cut Paul out of his life. Apparently the final indiscretion was so trivial that even Paul himself was unaware of it. When he learned of his fall from grace, he sent some agonized letters to the King, but there was to be no respond from Ludwig” Greg King.

“Paul’s letter to Ludwig is undated, but must have been written somewhere about the middle of December 1866” “My own bellowed Ludwig! What in the name of all the Saints has your Friedrich done to you? What did he say that no hand, no good night, no Auf Wiedersehen favoured him? How I feel I cannot say, my trembling hand may show you my inner disquiet. I did not intend to hurt you. Forgive me; be good again with me, I fear the worst-I cannot stand this. May my notes climb to you reconcilingly. Amen! Forgive your unhappy Friedrich” Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis.      

(Friedrich a nickname Ludwig had given Paul)  

“For some time Paul had felt the demise of Ludwig’s affections towards him, from midst November 1866, he started to drink without limits and in a state of turmoil and distress ended up with the infamous actress Elise Kreutzer, with whom he spend a night at a local boarding house, he was well too drunk to remember, the next morning they parted but in the end of December 1866 she proclaimed him to be the father of her unborn child” Edir Grein aka. Erwin Riedinger.

“Prince Paul von Thurn und Taxis were, by his family, forced to marry Elise witch was morganatically, and thereafter was disowned by them, and striped of all his titles, rank and birthrights. Paul kept writing to Ludwig but without any reply, in the end he begged his King to give him a title, and in 1879 Ludwig issues the Almanach de Gotha stated that Prince Paul had renounced his birthright, and his name, had been `inscribed upon the list of the nobility of Bavaria as Monsieur Fels” Desmond Chapman-Houston.

“After their final break up Paul would never see his beloved Ludwig again, and died a humble death in Cannes, remembering the only true love of his life” Edir Grein aka. Erwin Riedinger.

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« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2007, 04:32:20 PM »
In my reply concerning Paul von Thurn und Taxis I quoted the author incorrectly, the correct quote will be: "and in the 1875-80 issues the Almanach de Gotha stated (Ludwig II) that Prince Paul had renounced his birthright, and his name, had been `inscribed upon the list of the nobility of Bavaria as Monsieur de Fels” Desmond Chapman-Houston.

Also it is believed by many of the authors that this was the first romantic relationship any of the too young men had, and even though it was Ludwig who terminated it, he was devastated by it.


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