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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2007, 05:11:08 PM »
Only when I had read several books, on the topic, the true story began to emerge, living in a world, where the love these two men shared for each other, where considered inappropriate and more than that a severe sickness in this Victorian era, Ludwig being of such a sensitive character, the pressure of the envious servants, courtiers and nobles, must have been very painful to him and in the end his nervous constitution finally jolted his love for Paul, and as devastating it must have felt for him, he himself where never strong enough or dared this forbidden path, and listening to all the different rumours, he now proceeded to close the affair, by sending a letter not to Paul but to his cousin the Empress Elisabeth of Austria “Friedrich is out of favour so I had to remove him; a better one is now in his place”. Paul being of a somewhat stronger constitution, through himself into the love affair with the eager of his youth, unfortunately for him only his love for his King was everlasting, and when he heard from his family, that Ludwig had dismissed him, he fell apart right there and then.......Yes it is a very sad story.       

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2007, 08:20:33 PM »
Indeed ! It is sad that there are only snipets of Paul's life. Otherwise it could be a full bio.  :(

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #77 on: January 05, 2007, 08:55:23 AM »
That is not exclusively true, there are a large amount of letters, witch where correspondent between Paul and Ludwig, from 1863 until 1866, and there is records about both in the secret archives before this period, remember they where 2. cousin’s and mentioned in a number of reports from various excursions’ by family members, and they must have meet during adolescents’ the difficult part is to find out about his life after, 1867 until his death in 1879, we know that he send a number of letters during this phase to Ludwig, which he never got a reply from but these letters is rather important in finding out about his later life, and we have to remember that there was a child whom Paul most have helped to raise and if there is any grandchildren that would also give a mountain of information, one of the reason’s why all the letters from Paul to Ludwig and reverse never got published happened because all the focus was on the King and not on the love affair or Paul’s life. All these letters is still in the archives of the Wittelsbachs family. So are you in for a trip to Bavaria? I’m game.




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« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2007, 08:17:12 PM »
Sounds very tempting !  ;) I have been in the Wittelsbach archiev in Munich...looks like another trip may be in order.  ;D

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2007, 10:13:50 AM »
Hi There

Sounds great  ;), did you see all the letters from Paul to Ludwig? Do you read german? What more did you find in the archives? I´m very serious about this, would be a great help to go with someone who has been there and knows where every things is. Let me hear from you.  ;D

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2007, 08:27:52 PM »
Unfortunately I don't know German so may need help.  :( I went there before doing research on the sisters of Empress Sisi. A good size building where things are put in boxes and people wear gloves to sample old letters, photos and prints.  ;D

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« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2007, 11:25:40 AM »
Have any of you read the book by Katerina Von Burg “Windsor Publications" bearing the title “The man and the mystery”.
It’s rather strange but it seems to me that she belittles Paul and Ludwig’s relationship and making a womanizer out of poor Paul. But when I read the letter’s from Paul to Ludwig they are full of very hard felt love for his King, and other sources declaring the rumours for being untrue but Katerina Von Burg keep ignoring their feelings for each other and belittles them and have sympathies towards Sophie and other women and almost trying to make a “straight” King out of Ludwig. She is very fair to her description of Otto but turns Paul into a cold calculating women lover and she believes all the rumours being true contrary all the male writers whom has described and read the same letter’s and sources as she and they all have a entirely opposite opinion. There is another book from Martha Schad that completely removes all information about Paul. Why I desire to get to the foundation of this, and hope to get a lot of aid from those intrigued in doing so.


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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2007, 11:37:12 AM »
What a hoot, I forgot to mention that Katerina Von Burg actually tries to vindicate King Ludwig for being accused of madness witch is a noble effort, but why sacrifice Paul on this account?


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« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2007, 08:03:51 PM »
I have not read that book by Katherina Von Burg. I got the two on Sisi and Ludwig though. Both in English.  ???

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #84 on: January 10, 2007, 06:04:02 AM »
How much information does those book’s contain regarding Paul von Thurn und Taxis?  ;)


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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #85 on: January 10, 2007, 08:02:05 PM »
Not much...The Chapman book is the best I think.  ;)

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« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2007, 03:36:42 PM »
Maximilian Anton of Thurn und Taxis


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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2007, 05:38:44 PM »
I have read the books by Von Burg and Greg King as well and some more, I read that they saw Paul, as the villain, in the book by Mayer-Ofen from the 1930th; he describes Paul as the main source for a group trying to dethrone Ludwig, it’s a bit funny after reading Desmond Chapman-Huston´s book, which is very straight forward and one of the only authors to use the sources in an appropriate manner. What is the book by Corti like?


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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2007, 04:04:41 PM »
I remember seeing a painting of Paul as Lohengrin in a book (about Ludwig II or bavarian history in total?) when I was a child. I flipped through all my own books and went to the main library here in Munich at the Gasteig, but all a found was a very bad drawing probably composed after this painting in book named: Er war ein König. Ludwig II von Bayern. Erlebtes, Erforschtes, Erdichtetes von Zeitgenossen und Nachfahren. It was written by a man called Ludwig Hollweck and published in 1979. The drawing is on side 164. (No, I don't have a scanner.)

Paul sang and played Lohengrin several times for Ludwig around 1865. The painting probaly was made at that time too.

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Re: Thurn und Taxis, the elder line
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2007, 09:11:05 PM »
Dear misha ! Can you find out more about this painting ?  ::)