Thurn und Taxis, the elder line

[Mischa]

I try to find out more. I three or four weeks I will be in Regensburg again (where my family lives and Paul's family lived). Perhaps the picture is to find in a book from the library of Regensburg. But don't be to optimistic. It was a long time ago (25 years?) I saw this picture and the booke might be lost.

[Eric_Lowe]

Thanks ! Hope for some good news. Paul is reallty quite an obsqure figure in history. Even Bryon will be glad I guess...

[Mischa]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Mischa_1968/PaulvonThurnundTaxis1.jpg

[Mischa]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u106/Mischa_1968/PaulvonThurnundTaxis2.jpg


As you see I found a photo and a drawing of Paul. They are from the book: "Keinen Kuß mehr! Reinheit! Königtum!" It's on Ludwig's homosexuality and was written by Klaus Reichold.  The drawing is the same I mentioned in my posting above.

(And if someone could please tell me how to post the pictures in this forum directly instead of only giving a link I would be very happy  )

Greetings

Mischa

[Eric_Lowe]

Is this an old book ?  Thanks for the pic of Paul ! He was cerainly very handsome and brooding in looks...quite a match for Ludwig really ! 

[Mischa]

No, the book was published 2003 by  the "Forum für Homosexualität und Geschichte München" (Forum for Homosexualty and History Munich)

[Eric_Lowe]

Could we still buy it ? 

[Mischa]

Well, amazon doesn't have it anymore. The only possibilty is probably to buy directly from the "Forum Homosexualität und Geschichte München."
Their phone-number is + 49 89 - 23 26 97 94. You can reach them every tuesday from 10-12 and 14-16 o`clock german time.

[brnbg aka: liljones1968]

Thank you rani for those photos!To me Archduchess Margarethe allways seemed very glittering and she herself painted and yet there isn't any portrait of her left(at least that we know)...

actually, the cover-story of the january 1988 issue of CONNOISSEUR magazine is titled "having it all"....(or something like that), and it's about gloria (the 'punk rock princess' / 'princess TNT') & johannes.   it has a few interior fotos of St. Emmeram and in one of them, there is a beautiful full-length painting of Margarethe.    she is wearing a long pink gown and what appears to be the ruby necklace that gloria was fond of wearing (it's sort-of 'V'-shaped...).


my copy was lost long ago, and i recently discovered that my local library (the san francisco public library) has the issue, but is missing those pages!   


i'd love to see the fotos again.   maybe someone can find the issue without  any pages ripped out! ?

[MarieCharlotte]

I just had a look into the book Der in Bayern immatrikulierte Adel XVII published in 1988. On the pages of the Thurn und Taxis family I found the information that Princess Fernanda of Thurn und Taxis, sister of the late Fürst Johannes and aunt of the current Fürst Albert, adopted a child in October 1966 at Kings County, New York. The child's name is Marina Editha Theresia and she was born on May 12th 1966 in New York. So Princess Fernanda adopted the girl only five months after her birth. The book says that Marina is bearing the title "Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis" and in 1988 (Marina was 22 by then) she still lived with Fernanda in Munich.
Another interesting fact is, that Fernanda's marriage to Franz Joseph of Hohenzollern had already been annuled when the adoption took place. So Fernanda was a single mother as she didn't remarry.

Does anybody have further information about Princess Marina? Paul Theroff doesn't mention her on his sites which is quite surprising for me. Any pictures?

[mardam]

Fernanda is not the sister of Johannes, but his niece. She is the youngest daughter of
Franz Joseph (1893-1971).

Sorry, no more infromation about Marina.

[MarieCharlotte]

Fernanda is not the sister of Johannes, but his niece. She is the youngest daughter of
Franz Joseph (1893-1971).

Sorry, no more infromation about Marina.

Ooops, it was really late when I wrote this post. You are absolutely right. I think I mixed her up with Mafalda, Johannes of T&T's sister.

[Rebecca]

I am not trying to be finicking, but was not princess Fernanda the cousin of Fürst Johannes rather than his niece? 

Sorry, I have no information on Marina, but I have been wondering about her as well as Fürst Johannes' niece princess Daria (born 1962, daughter of his sister Mafalda and her distant relative prince Franz von Thurn und Taxis). Does anyone have any information about her? Sorry, I know it is off-topic... 

[MarieCharlotte]

I think we all should check a genealogy first. 

Albert > Franz Joseph > Maria Fernanda

Albert > Karl August > Johannes

So we come to the conclusion that Johannes and Maria Fernanda were first cousins. 

Thanks Rebecca for correcting our faults.

[Marlene]

Marina does not have the title Princess . She has the surname Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis.  The title does not pass through females or to adopted children.

I just had a look into the book Der in Bayern immatrikulierte Adel XVII published in 1988. On the pages of the Thurn und Taxis family I found the information that Princess Fernanda of Thurn und Taxis, sister of the late Fürst Johannes and aunt of the current Fürst Albert, adopted a child in October 1966 at Kings County, New York. The child's name is Marina Editha Theresia and she was born on May 12th 1966 in New York. So Princess Fernanda adopted the girl only five months after her birth. The book says that Marina is bearing the title "Prinzessin von Thurn und Taxis" and in 1988 (Marina was 22 by then) she still lived with Fernanda in Munich.
Another interesting fact is, that Fernanda's marriage to Franz Joseph of Hohenzollern had already been annuled when the adoption took place. So Fernanda was a single mother as she didn't remarry.

Does anybody have further information about Princess Marina? Paul Theroff doesn't mention her on his sites which is quite surprising for me. Any pictures?