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Re: Carol II of Romania's other children and their descendants
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2006, 10:35:27 AM »
Carol was not a prince. Ever.  In the late 1950s, the French and Portuguese courts ruled that Carol had a legitimate claim to the late king's estate in these two countries.  The courts did not have the power to rule on titles, etc.  Carol received a half share in a house in France (falling apart) - the other half went to Michael.  Carol never knew King Carol nor other members of the royal family.
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Re: Carol II of Romania's other children and their descendants
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2006, 10:36:37 AM »
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oh dear god the face of paul in that picture!!!! :D :D :D



I would guess that the other males are Antonia's family, as Carol had not seen his younger son Alexander for several decades.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2006, 09:16:05 PM »
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this is the photo from the first article:



"Prince" Carol Mircea of Romania was the first born of King Carol II and his first wife, Ioana Lambrino


wow!
He may not have a legitimate claim to royalty, but he certainly inherited the gene code. The nose, the cheekbones and the brow line definitely echo his grandfather, King Ferdinand.

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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2006, 05:41:35 AM »
his son paul looks a lot like him... however carol looks much nicer to me...

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2006, 01:29:43 PM »
In the obituaries after the death of Prince Carol of Romania on January 27th it mentioned that his last request was that he buried near his father Carol II(whose remains were returned to his native land in 2003).Has this event taken place ? indeed will it take place ?.Thanks in anticipation :)

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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2006, 02:33:26 PM »
i dont think so!

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2006, 04:49:58 PM »
that would involve some sort of recognition from the romanian authorities. i doubt they're willing to do that

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Re: Carol II of Romania's other children and their descendants
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2006, 05:49:20 AM »
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In the obituaries after the death of Prince Carol of Romania on January 27th it mentioned that his last request was that he buried near his father Carol II(whose remains were returned to his native land in 2003).Has this event taken place ? indeed will it take place ?.Thanks in anticipation :)


I'm  lost.  Did Carol II have a son name "Carol"?

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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2006, 06:45:01 AM »
He had a son called Mircea Grigore Lambrino, somehow adding Carol to his name at some stage, but I am not sure how or when… He was not a prince.  There was a short article in a Romanian paper about Curtea de Arges in which it was said that the Romanian Church authorities have said that there is no more room (!!??) in the cemetary and that even King Carol II's resting place is a temporary one for this reason ( so that is their diplomatic response.)

He will not be buried in Curtea de Arges, even if Mircea is repatriated at some stage to a resting place somewhere in Romania. He was not a member of the Royal family.


From the Associated Press
"Prince" Carol Mircea Lambrino
BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) - "Prince" Carol Mircea Lambrino, son of the late King Carol II of Romania, whose wish to be declared legitimate son of his father was never fully realized, has died, his family said Saturday. He was 86.

Lambrino died on Friday in London after a long illness, according to a family statement.

He was the first son of Carol II, known as the "playboy king" for his romantic escapades and Ioana "Zizi" Lambrino, a Romanian ballerina.

The two were married in Odessa, Ukraine, in 1918 but the marriage was annulled a year later because royal rules introduced in the 19th century to stop feuding among the aristocracy banned heirs to the throne from marrying Romanians.

Lambrino was born in Bucharest on Jan. 8, 1920, after the annulment. He emigrated with his mother as a child and lived in Paris and London.

After a long court case, a Romanian court recognized him as Carol's son in 2003 and his birth certificate was changed. Courts in Portugal and France recognized Lambrino as Carol's legitimate son in the 1950s.

Former King Michael, Carol II's son from his marriage to Queen Helen of Greece, contested the decision to declare Lambrino a legitimate son, and Romania's top court, the Supreme Court, has not yet ruled on Michael's appeal.

Lambrino visited his homeland in 2005, his only visit since Romania's 1989 anti-communist revolt. It was the first time he had returned to Romania since he attended the funeral of his grandmother Queen Marie in 1938.

Carol II renounced his throne to marry his third wife, Elena Lupescu, and live in exile following a romantic liaison which scandalized Romania. The remains of the two were repatriated in 2003 and reburied in Romania.

Michael was made king for three years as a child and later ruled Romania again from 1940 to 1947 when he was forced to abdicate as the communists swept to power.

Lambrino's funeral will be held at the Romanian Orthodox Church in London. He is survived by his third wife and two sons, Paul and Alexandru. It was not immediately clear whether his wish to be buried in Romania would be granted.
Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press

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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2006, 10:25:11 AM »
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In the obituaries after the death of Prince Carol of Romania on January 27th ... :)


He was never styled as Prince.
He led a quiet life and never claimed any dynastic rights.
The opposite of his son Paul who claims to be the rightful heir to the roumanian crown.

Point de Vue had an interesting article on Mircea Carol.
When K.Ferdinand knew of Carol's marriage to Zizi Lambrino  ( in 1918 in Russia - Was it so easy to get in and out Russia those days ?? ) he summoned him to the Palace, forced him to divorce her and make a proper and equal marriage.
Zizi was sent to Paris with a generous allowance and already pregnant of Mircea.
Carol only met his son once in Paris.
Mircea cultivated his father's image to the point that he looked almost as his clone.
The photos are almost disturbing.
It is said that Carol II had a stroke in Estoril - where he lived in exile with his 3rd wife Magda Lupescu - when he had the news of Zizi's death.

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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2006, 10:26:27 AM »
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I'm  lost.  Did Carol II have a son name "Carol"?

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yes Tampa--his name was Carol Mircea--the same person here ,the son of Zizi Lambrino and Carol II :)

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Re: Carol II of Romania's other children and their descendants
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2006, 04:26:19 PM »
Hello Laurra,

I always understood his name to be Mircea Grigore Lambrino - called Mircea  after the little boy who died.... Yet I see "Carol" everywhere - Carol Mircea, or Mircea Carol, or Mircea Grigore Carol etc.. Do you know when this name was added ?   ???

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2006, 04:56:39 PM »
hi Marina, i always knew him as Carol Mircea Lambrino,don't know when the name was added ,i always knew him like this ;i got used to him being called like that  :-[ :-[ :-/
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2006, 01:07:23 PM »
OK , I see, well it doesn't really matter so much now.....Poor man, I think he had a rough deal, it wasn't his fault that he was born after all.  But his son Paul is another story.........EEK!  

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« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2006, 02:40:28 AM »
i have a very bad opinion of paul. he tried to run for romania's presidency but he doesn't even speak romanian right! not to mention that he gives the impression of being a total fool