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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2005, 08:13:32 PM »
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RA...please don't think any of our exchanges are on a personal level...You have been around long enough to feel like "family"...but please consider the very clear and concise questions of the FA. I should also wish you to consider your Dr. friend...How did you approach this person?...Was he/she a very busy person with their own projects who took a moment to quickly read over some vague material?...



I do not think it is personal. This is that makes me a little upset. If it was personal, I could ignore your post and go ahead. Of course I consider the FA questions and I understand his point of view. I know that there were four different test in four different labs. I know all the factual evidence of AA being FS.

I cannot answer the FA questions. Not yet. But this is not meaning I could be worng or right. I will give you an example:

A person is discovered dead, and the police doesn't know if this person dead by suicide, natural causes or murder.  One of the detectives involved in the case, concluded that it was a suicide, but other guessed that this person was really murdered. Well...Anyone would start by asking to the detective who believes in the murder thoery who the murder was. The first question would be: "How did you realize that it was a murder?". And then, the detective would answer which are his reasons to suppose it was a murder. Only later, he'll try to find what reasons the murder had to kill this person. And then, yes he may start to guess WHO had those reasons to kill this person. Even like this, there are murders never solved. I'm in the first moment of my case, in the "Why did you suppose that it was a switch?". Of course, if I may travel and do proper research in the Charlottesville area, interview  more people and go look for original documents, I will be able to answer all the FA questions. And not only for the sake of this thread, but for I'm very interested myself, and perhaps I end writing a book about the whole case.

Currently, the only thing I can do is said that I know. (Sorry, but the "animal example" is very useful to me.  ;D). If I'm seeing an elephant , I couldn't deny myself and said I'm seeing a lion. As the little children story: I'm seeing the King naked, even if all people keep saying how beatiful clothes he had. I do not know why the king is naked, I do not know who persuade him to go around naked. But the king is naked.

However, I agree to leave this subject off, if you really like it. There are other issues equally interesting in the board. However, I still asking to myself what's the use to admit AA's threads here, since the matter is officially "closed". It is clear that DNA said she was FS, and the people who still believe she was who she claimed to be, can't for the moment , prove it.  Until we wait for this case to be solved (sorry but I think it isn't solved), we may let AA's threads off and discuss other "Survivors" , inestead.  If not, when I read a thread about AA I can't help myself to join the discussion and said what you know I will said.  :-/  And since the AA-FS supporters have nothing new to add, nor AA-AN supporters it's a little nonsense to continue to argue.

As for my friend, I already explained who he is, and how I knew him, but if you can read the whole thing again, here it is: Dr. Carlos Kuz IS my friend. He is an athropologic expert and a forensic senior. He is mycolleague at the University where both of us are working currently. There, I teach History. There, he teachs Anthropology. He also works for the Police to identify missing people or criminals wanted by the justice. He was in the team who identify 10.000 missing persons murdered in the Militar Dictature of 1976-1983. There, he knew a Geneticist expert, Dr. Belisario Otamendi. I get intetersted Kuz first, showing the mixed up photos of AA-FS and AN. After he identified AA to AN he was freezed when I said to him that DNA had said otherwise. So, he proposed me to go see a friend of him, this Otamendi I didn't know already. I know his name as a geneticist, but not him personnally and never thought to know him at any time.  Kuz bring me to see Otamendi and we spoke of possibilities of switch in DNA testing. Later, I gave him to read the Massie's book chapters I quoted above and I meet him again a month later. Then we discuss the case again and I interviewed him about it. This day I gave him the electronic adress of this site, the one with the John Godl article and the Peter Kurth one. We meet again a month later and I interviewed him a second time. (I have the record tapes as I have the ones with Kuz interview )  . And that's all...Since then, I never meet him again. He is not my personal friend. Of course, he is man with a lot of work, but Kuz (not me) get him interested in the case. He said me that any time I need his help, I could see him. After him I interviewed a psychologic expert (Graciela Lucci) who is my mother's personal friend; a psychiatrist Eduardo Bischoff; a graphologist , Enrique Mosquera; an actor , Guillermo Marín; a photograph expert , Pompeo D'Azzierno; a doctor , Alejandro Pavlovsky a Polish resident , Mrs. Stanislawa Kuchansky and a Russian resident Mrs. Rosa Petrov.

Of course this is not enough to state anything, but it is a start. Now, I must try to contact with other geneticists, other anthropologic experts , Doctors, psychiatrist, etc...

Hope I've answered what you wanted to know.

Warm Wishes.
RealAnastasia.

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2005, 09:45:39 PM »


RA...ummm...HUH?
   I am sorry but your last post really made no sense to me... ???
It's been a long day.

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2005, 10:19:23 PM »
Who said the more things change the more they remain the same?
It is good to see all of you still here. RA, I'm glad to see you again...still hanging in there and defending your belief that AA is AN. Exile is still dogging you about it...and Tedders is still the final authority.
I've missed this place and it is good to be back.
This topic still fascinates me even though I know about the DNA. It's fun.

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2005, 10:34:56 PM »
Dear RealAnastasia,

You are Real ! Nobody can fault you for doing what you think you must do, and that is the heart of the matter !
Countless people as yourself have followed through in spite of those in other camps,who choose to be spiteful, take personal pot shots at you, and make you, your life miserable.When you read posts, look for real people who have heart to offer you all that real communication offers. You don't have to respond to those who try to drain your energy. Ignore them.  ;D

Take heart, there are many of us here, [though we may not always agree with you], who still admire your spirit, your energy, your concern to go where others care not at all. Forge ahead, and do your best ! We look forward to your posts, and those who join in a fair debate.

At least you in your heart and mind, you can settle with yourself, that you have done all you could do, and that is all any human heart can do. Never mind what others say, it does not matter ! What matters is the final truth that will eventually evidence.   ;)

With all respect,

Tatiana

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2005, 10:55:57 PM »
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Not to mention that more than one sample was tested and gave consistent results (no one even knew about the existance of the second sample - how would they have switched it?)...  
They would have had to get the right chunk of an intestine that would match Carl Maucher's mtDNA, and they would have have had to also plant some hair that would match Carl Maucher's mtDNA into an old book with a label "Anastasia's hair", and they would have had to arrange for someone interested in this case to find that hair. All this before they even knew that a test was going to be performed and what kind of a test was going to be performed. How would this have been possible? I'm sorry, RA, your  "switch" theory makes no sense, unless you think some sort of magic was involved. I don't mean this facetiously...  Think about it logically.

I believe that Richard Schweitzer has "threatened" to expose a "conspiracy" when they first learned of the results, and this was more than ten years ago. He has not been able to find one single thing that would suggest anything like that. That's because there wasn't a switch and there was no conspiracy...
While I'm trying to keep quiet here, there's one thing in this post that really bothered me. How do you know that the hair really came from the bottom of a book store? The hair came out of no where. All the sudden someone just claims to have Anna Anderson's hair. It "just so happened" that it appeared shortly after the DNA tests which "determined" her identity. These hair samples were probably from  a Schankowska relative. And another thing. Of course all four of the labs got the same results from the tissue samples. If the intestine tissue was switched in the first place, then of course the samples obtained from the tissue would all produce the same result.

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2005, 11:06:36 PM »
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RA

WHO had the motives and WHAT were the motives?
WHEN could the switch have been made?
HOW could the switch have been made without being discovered
WHAT exactly WAS the switch specifically?
HOW WAS the switch actually made?

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You see, no one can answer these questions, because no one can know for a fact if there was or was not a switch. There is no evidence of this switch, but of course what trickster would leave behind evidence?
As far as people having no motive, that has been adressed many times before. There were motives. People, especially the Romanovs and members of the House of Hesse, had been trying to discredit Anderson all her life. Why in the world would they let her identity be proven?
-The switch(if there was one) could have been made when the existance of the tissue became known about. Better yet, Martha Jefferson Hospital could have even been involved in the possible conspiracy if money were involved. If they were involved, this would certainly answer all the questions about how a switch was possible.
_As far as what it would have been switched with, I would assume it would be an intestinal tissue of a Schankowska relative.  

-I'm not saying that I am 100% sure there was a switch, as I cannot be sure. But I certainly do believe in the possibilty. But it is important to remember that it is only a theory.

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2005, 07:19:20 AM »
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You see, no one can answer these questions, because no one can know for a fact if there was or was not a switch. There is no evidence of this switch, but of course what trickster would leave behind evidence?


I think what Helen means is, if there is no evidence other than a bunch of 'hey maybe this or that' you really have nothing. If you can present a possible suspect or evidence of a switch, let us know. Otherwise there really isn't a reason to even consider it.

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As far as people having no motive, that has been adressed many times before. There were motives. People, especially the Romanovs and members of the House of Hesse, had been trying to discredit Anderson all her life.


The Hessian royal family all died in 1937, the year before her trial started. There was a terrible plane crash. The reason Ernie said AA wasn't his neice is simple, she wasn't. He was right.


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the world would they let her identity be proven?
-The switch(if there was one) could have been made when the existance of the tissue became known about. Better yet, Martha Jefferson Hospital could have even been involved in the possible conspiracy if money were involved. If they were involved, this would certainly answer all the questions about how a switch was possible.


Do you really think anyone cared that much? Some people have even blamed the Queen! But don't forget, it was the Schweitzers, SUPPORTERS of AA who instigated the tests!

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as what it would have been switched with, I would assume it would be an intestinal tissue of a Schankowska relative.  


And who was this who consented to be cut open and have a part of their intestines removed? What was in it for them, who paid them off? Or were they kidnapped and it was removed by force? And how did this 'switcher' know exactly what part of the intestine should be cut out so it would match up? See it really makes no sense at all.


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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2005, 09:52:54 AM »
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 Dr. Carlos Kuz  


RA, could you please list a couple of Dr Kuz's publications, as this would be the best way to judge his credentials and credibility. BTW, not everyone who publishes is credible, nor is everyone who has some letters after their name.

I googled him, but couldn't really get anything appropriate in English. I have never heard of him, and I don't usually make it a habit of just taking someone's word for it... Nothing personal... Thanks!

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2005, 10:04:25 AM »
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You see, no one can answer these questions, because no one can know for a fact if there was or was not a switch. There is no evidence of this switch, but of course what trickster would leave behind evidence?


-I'm not saying that I am 100% sure there was a switch, as I cannot be sure. But I certainly do believe in the possibilty. But it is important to remember that it is only a theory.

You have yet to explain WHY this point of view is any different from SPACE ALIENS being involved, other than YOU want to believe it. You see, THAT is the critical difference between Science Fiction and SCIENCE. Please, this forum is devoted to SCIENCE and EVIDENCE based on RESEARCH and REALITY. not SCIENCE FICTION.


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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2005, 10:13:00 AM »
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Who said the more things change the more they remain the same?
It is good to see all of you still here. RA, I'm glad to see you again...still hanging in there and defending your belief that AA is AN. Exile is still dogging you about it...and Tedders is still the final authority.
I've missed this place and it is good to be back.
This topic still fascinates me even though I know about the DNA. It's fun.


If Tedders is the "final authority" on anything....then we are All in big trouble..... ::)

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2005, 10:17:04 AM »
This is going to sound terribly ignorant but who is this 'Tedders' everyone is talking about-is 'tedders' a person  ??? ?

Thanks

Rachael

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2005, 10:28:50 AM »
Tedders...aka Teddy...is my most excellant teddy bear of near genius intaylec(he helps me with my spelling)....We live with our Granny in a most fine house in Norfolk...which is somewhere in England...where Norfolk people are usually found...We defend the garden from evil doers and visiting vicars with our wooden swords,wearing most jolly folded paper hats. I could go on...but Tedders is throwing a drinks party in our club in the hedge row....musn't be late...
Cheers...etonexile

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2005, 11:05:28 AM »
Etonexile, are you being serious? I'm sorry but I find your posts very, very confusing, many times I do not understand what you mean especially with all the little dots.

If you are being serious I'm sorry but I am very confused!

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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2005, 11:07:30 AM »
Rachael,
He is being sarcastic, and referring to a character similar to "Winnie The Pooh" by AA Milne. Lighten up as it is meant in good fun, at least when English is your first language..."Tedders aka Teddy" as in "Teddy Bear".
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Re: Calling all judges!
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2005, 11:17:17 AM »
English is my first language, but I was genuinely confused by his postings so I was just asking him if he was serious or not as his posts make my head hurt and I did not intend to offend him if he was being serious in a obscure why by returning equally sarcastic comments.

I love humour, but not strange out of place humour that I fail to understand, I would rather have more focus on productive discussion especially in a thraed such as this which is surely intended for serious discussion.

Rachael

P.S. On a side note how is the lovely Winnie the Pooh...connected to the Romanovs...?