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« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2005, 12:22:06 PM »
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Yet the reason I assume the DNA was not of Anderson was because of her memories. You assume the memories were not authentic because of the DNA. There is no evidence to support either side, therefore you are in the same boat as I.


Perfect example to demonstrate my point. I rest my case...

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« Reply #76 on: December 10, 2005, 02:30:31 PM »
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Perfect example to demonstrate my point. I rest my case...

This does not demonstrate your point at all. The point is that you are willing to rest everything on DNA, and ignoring everything to the contrary.

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« Reply #77 on: December 10, 2005, 02:41:38 PM »
I suspect Helen may be right about the futility of this, but once more into the breach.

No. The memories are not the same thing as the DNA. Watch:

"I remember that my father had blue eyes, blue eyes of a depth that was unmatched by any in Russia. I had three sisters. We called the one just older than I "Little Bow-wow" to tease her. My oldest sister Olga was gifted at the piano, but disliked practicing. And Aunt Olga was my favorite of Papa's sisters! Each week she would bring us into her home in St. Petersburg, and we would have a lovely tea --- much better than the ones that were served at home. Even Mama used to complain about those teas, saying everyone else's was so much better."

Ergo, I am Anastasia. Why not? I "remember" these things. There's going to be a small problem with my DNA, of course, but I should mention that I am an actor, and a good one. I could sell you on these being my memories, trust me. I've actually directed Marcelle Maurette's ANASTASIA twice, and will probably do so in the fall of 2006 (everyone on this board who wants to attend, let me know, free tickets!), and each time the actor playing the Andersen character was utterly convincing in the role. But there will be that pesky DNA thing again.

I don't mind --- in fact would welcome --- a discussion that involved actual answers to questions raised in my previous post. For example, how do you account for the mistakes that Andersen made in her answers to Gilliard? Why didn't Gibbes accept her claim? You keep using the forensic evidence prior to the DNA as though it was coherent and supported Andersen 100%. If it had, why wasn't she accepted by the German courts, who were involved in the case on-and-off for thirty-odd years? Or does this "conspiracy" that you postulate include not only Martha Jefferson Hospital, members of the Schanzkowska family, Prince Philip, the Cubans/Mafia/Martians on the grassy knoll, but the German legal system as well?

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« Reply #78 on: December 10, 2005, 02:43:56 PM »
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This does not demonstrate your point at all. The point is that you are willing to rest everything on DNA, and ignoring everything to the contrary.


The problem here is this. AA YOU believe that the "other" evidence is of the same reliability or value as the DNA. The problem is that it IS NOT. PERIOD. ALL of the other "evidence" is either subjective (one person says yes but another says no) or unreliable because it can not be corroberated independently.

The DNA on the other hand IS 100% accurate, reliable and has been proven by extrinsic evidence to be so.  

The ONLY SINGLE REASON that YOU think the other evidence is of equal weight or value is simply BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE SO.  We have YET to see anything from you to the contrary, despite being asked. The only response you ever come up with is literally "because I say it is"...and sadly, that is not good history, not critical reasoning, and really not much more than a fairy tale.

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« Reply #79 on: December 10, 2005, 02:45:48 PM »
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Yet the reason I assume the DNA was not of Anderson was because of her memories. You assume the memories were not authentic because of the DNA. There is no evidence to support either side, therefore you are in the same boat as I.


I'm sorry but this whole statement is just ridiculous.You doubt the DNA because of AA's supposed memories.
That just makes no sense to me. You know I could type up a big explanation why I think this is ludicrous but frankly it's not worth my time.

Anyone that still holds the belief that AA was Anastasia Nikolaevna is never going to change their mind. They could find her body right now and prove once and for all that AA wasn't AN but it wouldn't do any good.They would still never believe it was true.

This AA/AN/FS horse has been beat to death already.In fact it looks more like a bloody pulp. ;D ::) :D
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« Reply #80 on: December 10, 2005, 03:19:46 PM »
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 I've actually directed Marcelle Maurette's ANASTASIA twice, and will probably do so in the fall of 2006 (everyone on this board who wants to attend, let me know, free tickets!)



Simon, I would love to see it!  Letting you know in advance  ;).

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« Reply #81 on: December 10, 2005, 03:41:49 PM »
The tickets will be waiting for you, Helen, and anyone else who cares to make the long trek to North Carolina. Perhaps we could make a weekend out of it. I might be able to persuade the college to host a forum on Imperial Russia or something.

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« Reply #82 on: December 10, 2005, 03:47:00 PM »
Same here, Simon, I love  theatre. Usually musicals but will make exception.
Count me in, . Btw, where ?
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« Reply #83 on: December 10, 2005, 03:52:14 PM »
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The tickets will be waiting for you, Helen, and anyone else who cares to make the long trek to North Carolina. Perhaps we could make a weekend out of it. I might be able to persuade the college to host a forum on Imperial Russia or something.

Simon


Thank you! Hopefully I can get someone to drive or fly down with me for that weekend  :). Sounds like it will be a fun play to see!


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« Reply #84 on: December 10, 2005, 04:13:48 PM »
Hey- I have mega miles on United and Delta, and depending on dates could make it.  Keep me informed, please.

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« Reply #85 on: December 10, 2005, 04:35:14 PM »
Absolutely. I am the Director of Theatre for the Abbey Players of Belmont Abbey College. Next season is my 30th, and Anastasia was the first play I staged in 1976; I did it again in 1991 as the opening for my 15th, and while responding to Annaandersen I thought, well, gee, why not? And I am not kidding about the idea of a symposium of some sort about the Romanovs. I have occasionally muttered about the DNA issue around our biologists, and they always seem interested. If there are enough people able to make something like that, we should think about it. In any event, the play is a definite go, and will probably run at the end of September/beginning of October, 2006.

For those of you who may not have seen it, it has a much better storyline than the Ingrid Bergman movie based upon it. The central scene is the encounter between the Andersen character and Marie Feodorovna, which of course never happened, but like Elizabeth I and Mary Stuart, should have.

Sorry to go off topic.

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« Reply #86 on: December 10, 2005, 04:44:38 PM »
I do not see it as off topic at all. After all this is "Me and AA's case".  I have read the play. It is  different from the film. That, however is another topic. So much of the whole AA mindset is just that- theatre, imagination and fantasy.

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« Reply #87 on: December 10, 2005, 04:48:38 PM »
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Absolutely. I am the Director of Theatre for the Abbey Players of Belmont Abbey College. Next season is my 30th, and Anastasia was the first play I staged in 1976; I did it again in 1991 as the opening for my 15th, and while responding to Annaandersen I thought, well, gee, why not? And I am not kidding about the idea of a symposium of some sort about the Romanovs. I have occasionally muttered about the DNA issue around our biologists, and they always seem interested. If there are enough people able to make something like that, we should think about it. In any event, the play is a definite go, and will probably run at the end of September/beginning of October, 2006.

For those of you who may not have seen it, it has a much better storyline than the Ingrid Bergman movie based upon it. The central scene is the encounter between the Andersen character and Marie Feodorovna, which of course never happened, but like Elizabeth I and Mary Stuart, should have.

Sorry to go off topic.

Regards,

Simon


Sounds great, Simon, please keep me informed too! I always wanted to see some kind of an Anastasia production. I can probably fly down for a couple of days with no problem if I have a few weeks advance notice about the date.

The biology symposium would be interesting too, let me know if that pans out as well. So you are in Charlotte?
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« Reply #88 on: December 10, 2005, 04:50:36 PM »
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I do not see it as off topic at all. After all this is "Me and AA's case".  I have read the play. It is  different from the film. That, however is another topic. So much of the whole AA mindset is just that- theatre, imagination and fantasy.


I agree. AA's life sure makes a great script!  Robert, where did you get the script of this play, I would be interested in reading it too.

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« Reply #89 on: December 10, 2005, 05:03:19 PM »
PM me an address, Helen, and I'll send you a copy, I have several from the different productions.
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