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« on: October 04, 2005, 07:39:57 PM »
Dear Friends:

                        I couldn't help but laugh when I read the last post and the last thread opened in the "Survivor" forum. It seems that the DNA group thinks that if those who doesn't believe in this DNA proof wanted not to post here for a while is for we have not arguments, or for we felt offended or "hurts in our feelings".

                           Well; speaking for myself I can assure that nothing of this happens. I have LOTS of arguments, and solids ones for you know that I undertake a research by myself and not being biased, for in fact, I tried to convince very hardly the experts who helped me in the research that AA was really FS without any positive results . I even spoke with a geneticist expert in DNA , and after reading all the material about the fact ("for", "against", the fact itself , this is the page with "the match-not match thing" who was posted here (I think that by Helen, but I'm not sure), and all the Robert K. Massie's chapters about the DNA test, and he agreed with me in the possibility of a switch. For him, is not a so strange thing...And of course I'm aware this is CRIMINAL! A person who does such a thing is a criminal, no doubt! And this is for that, that my geneticist friend suggest me to "get away the whole thing". He warned me if, I keep in the path I am now, I must be compelled to accuse someone and this is the thing I can't do...at least this was his advice. If I said that I suspect that the culprit of the switch was "X" or "Z", I could be accused of false testimony. And this is not for I'm lying or hallucinating about an nonexistent switcher...You know very well that if it was a switcher, he or she wouldn't let the proofs here and there to all to discover them. Something there is no a single proof.

For example: all people here knows that Al Capone was the murder of Saint-Valentin Massacre, of dean O'Banion and other very well known rivals. You also know that he was the man who was in the "alcohol business" during the "Dry-Laws" era. Well...Judges COULDN'T found him culprit of NONE of those criminal acts. Why? There were not simply a single proof of them. They must found him culprit for...not paying his  bills. It was the only way to get him in jail.

So...Do you suppose that the switcher (if there is one) would let proofs of what he/her or they have done? If it was an intelligent switcher he would not.

Another thing, FA: if we are not suspicious of a think we could never find a criminal act. So, your state in the "Call all of Judges" about not posting any suspicion is not valid. If we already know all the answers and the facts in AA-FS-AN case ...What's the challenge to "call all the judges"? A natural death case, could become an "supposed to be murder" one when someone doubts about it being a natural death. Without suspicion...what's the matter to have a trial, here?

As for "our hurt feelings". I'm not hurt. Not now. Why I should be hurt? Only for you disagrees with me in this case? Nonsense. But I know that I will post in this thread once in a while, for I'm not interested in starting endless discussions and accusations of day-dreamer. No, thank you.

You must guess this is for I've not arguments. The persons who emailed me privately knows that it's far from this. I'll not participate for the reasons I gave above and for when I started my thread "How about?..." nobody did what the thread was created for: research. All people started to discuss their own opinions about AA being AN, FS or Good in heaven, instead to go find anthropologist experts, geneticist, etc. The thread became the same than all the others in the "Survivor" forums. So, the "DNA Klan" opened another thread for themselves...The one of the online trial.

I'm searching supporters in order to open another website about Anna's case. A site that wouldn't be in any way a mere comparison of some good taken pics of AA-FS and AN.

RealAnastasia.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2009, 10:50:30 PM by Alixz »

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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 08:37:48 PM »
RealAnastasia -- I'd be very interested in joining such a site.  Please IM me privately should you require assistance in building it.  ;)

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 07:11:56 AM »
"DNA IS THE ANSWER"...buy the t-shirt....Romantics....whether you realize yourselves or not....you are loved.... :-*

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2005, 07:45:02 AM »
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So...Do you suppose that the switcher (if there is one) would let proofs of what he/her or they have done? If it was an intelligent switcher he would not.



RealAnastasia.


NO! Of course not! And this is a very good point I've tried to make all along about other things.

If AA knew she was FS and was lying about it, would she admit it, or leave any proof of it? NO!

If Gleb Botkin, or someone else, was actively helping her decieve people, would they admit it, or leave proof of what they had done? NO!

If FS's family knew it was her, but lied and denied her to save her and themselves much trouble, would they admit it, would they tell anybody, would they leave proof of it? NO!

All of the things I mentioned above could also have a huge bearing on the AA case, but we won't know, because, as RA said about a  possible switcher, no one who does something they want to hide is going to leave any evidence. So there will never be total 'proof' or 'sources' on the case, so it will never end for some people.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2005, 08:17:52 AM »
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NO! Of course not! And this is a very good point I've tried to make all along about other things.

If AA knew she was FS and was lying about it, would she admit it, or leave any proof of it? NO!

If Gleb Botkin, or someone else, was actively helping her decieve people, would they admit it, or leave proof of what they had done? NO!

If FS's family knew it was her, but lied and denied her to save her and themselves much trouble, would they admit it, would they tell anybody, would they leave proof of it? NO!




Annie these statement are again conjecture on your part.  Since no evidence has ever been found that the family KNEW or ADMITTED publicly that she was FS, or that Gleb Botkin helped her deceive everyone, etc.

There is no proof that these things or beliefs were held or happened.  Why do you assume that this is the way that events occured?

I personally don't think she EVER took anyone into her confidence, or there would be evidence existing that she did.

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2005, 08:43:08 AM »
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Annie these statement are again conjecture on your part.  Since no evidence has ever been found that the family KNEW or ADMITTED publicly that she was FS, or that Gleb Botkin helped her deceive everyone, etc.

There is no proof that these things or beliefs were held or happened.  Why do you assume that this is the way that events occured?

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Duh, that's the point of my post! Just as RA said IF there was a switch, there is not going to be any proof, because that's not the kind of thing people go around leaving evidence of!!

Why do I assume such things happened? Because they all add up to that result, now that we know AA was FS. For those of you who believe in a switch, you can believe that the switcher did not leave any evidence or 'proof' of that. The point is, some things we will NEVER EVER EVER know because IF people did things they were trying to hide, they did not leave any 'proof' and it can never be found.

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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2005, 09:19:25 AM »
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Duh, that's the point of my post! Just as RA said IF there was a switch, there is not going to be any proof, because that's not the kind of thing people go around leaving evidence of!!

Why do I assume such things happened? Because they all add up to that result, now that we know AA was FS. For those of you who believe in a switch, you can believe that the switcher did not leave any evidence or 'proof' of that. The point is, some things we will NEVER EVER EVER know because IF people did things they were trying to hide, they did not leave any 'proof' and it can never be found.


Well Annie, I take a differnet trek on this than you do, I believe it is possible to know most things, and the things I have discovered on my genealogical & historical journey are immense, things I would thought I never would know.   I don't rule anything out and if I die not knowing all I want to know, then it is a journey for someone else to go on.  

We don't know what AA did or did not do, from all evidence she never dropped her facade or took anyone into her confidence.  However that does not mean that somehow, someway, the truth cannot be discovered, by gathering ALL of the facts available, all of the evidence.
So I will await Greg & Penny's book, to see their case.

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2005, 10:17:58 PM »
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NO! Of course not! And this is a very good point I've tried to make all along about other things.

If AA knew she was FS and was lying about it, would she admit it, or leave any proof of it? NO!

If Gleb Botkin, or someone else, was actively helping her decieve people, would they admit it, or leave proof of what they had done? NO!

If FS's family knew it was her, but lied and denied her to save her and themselves much trouble, would they admit it, would they tell anybody, would they leave proof of it? NO!

All of the things I mentioned above could also have a huge bearing on the AA case, but we won't know, because, as RA said about a  possible switcher, no one who does something they want to hide is going to leave any evidence. So there will never be total 'proof' or 'sources' on the case, so it will never end for some people.



These are good points and that's show that you have brains in your head, Annie!  ;D I must congratulate you.

RealAnastasia.

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2005, 06:30:25 PM »
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These are good points and that's show that you have brains in your head, Annie!  ;D I must congratulate you.

RealAnastasia.


Thanks, so do you :)

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2005, 07:26:31 AM »
RealAnastasia

I would be interested in a site investigating the issue of AA being AN.  I would be interested in any serious research into the question.  I very rarely post on this site except when absolutely forced to but would be happy to discuss AA's case elsewhere.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2005, 08:53:51 PM »
I like to discuss this topic too. However (even if I'm an AA being AN supporter) I do not like to read "Yes; sure AA was AN". I would like research and serious discussion over this subject, and of course I would like to include the DNA issue in the matter. I've discussed it with a DNA expert and geneticist . If you may got an anthropologist, a forensic expert and graphologist it would be fine. In a site devoted to this discussion, I wouldn't want to have mere opinion but FACTS. I wouldn't want people writing: " Anna Anderson was Anastasia" just plainly , nor people adding: "But DNA said that she was FS , so she is her". We will discuss issues and facts. No more, nor less.

Other thing: don't mix your messages with "liking AA" or not liking her. I don't like her especially and I believe that she was who she claimed to be...

RealAnastasia

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2005, 06:01:37 PM »
Real Anastasia, I like your approach and I agree with you!!!
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2005, 01:41:55 AM »
If one can't accept the evidence of 4 independant testing labs for DNA that AA was not AN...and most certainly was FS...then it's a constant muddle of shoe sizes,hair lines,ears,and other sundry "stuff"..."I believe because I choose to believe..."...that's why I know I'm going to win the lottery... ::)

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2005, 06:30:46 PM »
When you have doubts about the tissues that were tested in these four labs, you may keep wondering what is going on in al,AA's identity matter . And even like this if 1000 laboratories would said that an elefant is a lion, for science is saying it, I wouldn't accept it.

Sorry again. And since many scientifics said me my wonders are legitimate, and that I have reasons to doubt about DNA results (they read thouroughly Massie's book , "The Romanovs; the Last Chapter"...especially the chapters consacred to the whole DNA testing), I will keep in this way. You may said I'm crazy, a dreamer, this or that. Fine. I do not said you are not right. But history will speak. I'm sure of it.

RealAnastasia.

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2005, 07:08:47 PM »
An elephant ISN't a lion...? You'll be saying that the Moon is not made of green cheese next....I won't believe such nonsense....because...erm...I CHOOSE not to...get that LOGIC malarkey away from me...Harlequin Romances are where it's at...and day-time soaps....that's the true REALITY....