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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2010, 01:29:52 PM »
its a ballet Costume.

Credits for this picture goes to Veronica who posted it on dinastias

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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2010, 01:41:03 PM »
Yes, it must be (I wonder which role she was playing)

Lovely photo, I was totally surpised looking that the painting that I posted before was totally based on it.
By the way, and talking about Kathy Schratt, one day I read on a site that there was a painting of her showing Kathy like the Empress with the ribbon that the Empress used on her chest, but when Franz Joseph saw it made the painter to quit her the ribbon. Has anyone seen it?
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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #78 on: October 19, 2010, 05:55:24 AM »
Helene, daughter of Anna Nahowski, and her famous husband, composer Alban Berg


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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2010, 06:47:37 AM »
Thanks Katenka, I love Alban Berg!

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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2010, 06:56:37 AM »
You welcome!

Here a portrait of Helene by Arnold Schoenberg. 1910



 


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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2010, 01:07:46 PM »
Many thanks to those lovely pics of Helene Nahowsky, they're completely new for me XD
I wonder if someone has seen this lovely photo os Katharina Schratt in better quality, I've looked for it for a long time but unsucessfully :-( She really look like an Empress
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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2010, 02:02:16 PM »
I hope it´s okay




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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2010, 02:15:42 PM »
She looks absolutely lovely. In fact she looks better as an older lady!

here another of the same period


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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #84 on: October 21, 2010, 12:58:02 PM »
It's perfect!!! Thank you very much Rani!!! XD
Some pics about Kathy...
With flowers on her hair

Lovely hat

Sitting down

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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2010, 01:09:21 PM »
The second one doesnt look like Katharina but another fellow actress i cant remember the name 0_o

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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2010, 12:52:22 PM »
I found several times this photo labeled as her but perhaps she's another person (that I ignore her name)
This is really she

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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #87 on: October 22, 2010, 05:22:57 PM »
Yup, that s her

Here a funny one of her posing in a sarcophagus (Some habsburgs also has pictures posing like this)




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Re: Mistresses and illegetimate children of Emperor Franz Josef
« Reply #88 on: October 25, 2010, 12:26:06 PM »
Really funny... I love it!!! XD
I read that Katharina used to copy the hairdos of Empress Sissi, I don't know how true is it.

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« Reply #89 on: September 09, 2012, 02:45:50 AM »
My paternal grandmother and her family emigrated to Connecticut from Hanidowa, Ukraine in 1913.  At the time, the region was part of Austria-Hungary.  They were Oborskis; my grandmother's name was Sozha Oborska.  She was born in 1897.  Her father's name was Steven.

During a visit to my grandmother's house in 1975, I told her I was reading "Nicholas and Alexandra."  I related what I'd been reading about; she listened intently, interrupting only now and then to correct my pronunciation of family & place names.  Finally, I asked her if she had ever seen any of the Romanovs.

     "No, honey," she replied, "We live in small Ukrainian town.  Sometimes it's Ukrainia, sometimes it was Poland.  When we live dere, it was Austria."

     "Then did you ever see emperor Franz Josef?" I asked, harking back to a passage I'd read in Massey's book, about a visit paid by N&A to the old emperor.

     "Yes," she answered.  Suddenly, her mood became more serious.  "Franz Josef was my father, you great grandfather's uncle."

     I was stunned.  "When was the last time you saw him?" was all I could think of to ask.

     "At my grandmother, you great great grandmother's funeral," she replied in her thick accent.

     "What was her name?"

     "Olga, honey," she answered, "Olga Oborska.  When my father was born, she keep her last name and give it to him."

     "Who was your father's father?" I asked, completely fascinated.

     "Ludwig.  It was Karl Ludwig.  But dey not married," she added, "dat's why you great great grandmother keep her last name.  When my father was born, Karl Ludwig give her dat farm so she could live."

     "Did you ever see Franz Ferdinand and Sophie Chotek?" I asked, thoroughly fascinated and groping for questions.

     "Yes, I see dem from time to time.  Dey still family.  Sophie was like older sister to me before she die," she added with a faraway look in her eyes, "she give me dresses."

     There was a pause.  I cast about for more questions, but my grandmother leaned closer to me and patted me on the knee.  "Don't you tell nobody, honey," she said firmly.  

     "Why?" I asked.

     "Because I say so.  We better off dat way."

     And that was it.  I didn't ask her about it again.  She died three years later, in 1978.  The following year, I asked her daughter, my elderly Aunt Anna, "Who was Gramma's grandfather?"

     "Karl Ludwig," she said, "Why do you ask?"  When I told her about the conversation I had had with my grandmother, she said, "Honey, that was all so long ago.  Your grandmother never liked to discuss it, nor do I.  You keep whatever you discussed with your grandmother to yourself."

     And so I have, for 36 years.  I still wonder about it, and have many questions.  I wouldn't hesitate to ask about my ancestry now, but my grandmother and her children - the two generations who would know the answers to my questions - are long gone.  I know that the Hapsburgs sired many illegitimate children in the latter half of the 1800s and that they didn't abandon them, but I can't imagine that records exist about illegitimate children born to that House.  Or do they?  If so, where would I look?
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