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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2005, 09:58:41 AM »
Well,  you're right in that dancing and nice gowns and such do not neccessarily indicate Catholic sympathies - Anne Boleyn enjoyed such finery, and she was a definite Anglican.
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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2005, 04:49:26 PM »
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Well,  you're right in that dancing and nice gowns and such do not neccessarily indicate Catholic sympathies - Anne Boleyn enjoyed such finery, and she was a definite Anglican.


I'm trying to think of a reply to this but I'm flummoxed!

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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2005, 08:05:24 PM »
    Elizabeth was a pragmatist. She would have been a Hindu/Buddhist/Animist if she thought that England would benefit from it.
   She saw how much chaos followed her father, her brother and her sister at the heights of their 'religious zeal' and I think that she used the C of E as a bit of a propaganda machine in which the "Nation" (Brittania) was the core of the Church.
   Think about  how many C of E hymns are really more about England than about Heaven or G*d, and you may take my meaning. ;)

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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2005, 02:17:02 AM »
I am in total agreement with you there Rskkiya... and I have spelt your name correctly for a change ;)
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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2005, 05:15:02 AM »
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I still think that Elizabeth had sincerish religious principles which she kept to herself for political reasons.
She had been brought up as an amateur theologian as all the Tudors were.

My guess is that Henri IV and Charles II were not like this, having both been educated in the "school of life" as it were. Elizabeth would have definitely known about the difference between transubstantiation and the arguments for and against, whereas I don't know about whether Charles and Henri had the time to think over such matters.  



i didn't say she was an atheist. she believed in god. it's just that she realized (just like someone said before me) that the way you serve in god is less important than the fact that you serve god... the main difference between all the religions is the way god is worshipped. catholics and anglicans have bishops, presbiterians don't. so on and so forth. the bottom line to each and every religion is serving god. and i believe elizabeth believed (like i believe, for example) that it doesn't matter if you have bishops or don't, or if you believe in transsubstantiation or not as long as you believe in god. she didn't say it out loud because at that time that idea was probably considered heretic by every religion (everyone said 'my religion is the true one'). but i don't think one can sincerely practise tolerance without being tolerant. had she not been tolerant that would have showed in her 45 years of reign...

charles 2nd was tolerant, as someone said, because of his insecure younger years. he wanted to be comfortable as a king and catholicism would have caused a lot of trouble. like it did for james later. elizabeth herself had a lot of insecurity in her youth and i believe that's part of what led to her tolerance. she saw many religion changes in a short time and i think one gets at least sceptical after that...

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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2005, 01:22:26 PM »
Remember one of Elizabeth's most quotable quotes:

"There is only one Christ Jesus and the rest is a dispute about trifles."

(For some reason in the BBC series "Elizabeth R" they misquoted her as saying, "There is only one Christ Jesus and the rest is a dispute about titles." Which completely changes the meaning of course.)

Obviously, Elizabeth was a committed Christian but a very flexible one. Even today, her statement equating long-standing religious disputes with "trifles" would no doubt shock many fellow Christians, Protestant and Catholic alike!
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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2005, 01:59:35 PM »
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Remember one of Elizabeth's most quotable quotes:

"There is only one Christ Jesus and the rest is a dispute about trifles."

(For some reason in the BBC series "Elizabeth R" they misquoted her as saying, "There is only one Christ Jesus and the rest is a dispute about titles." Which completely changes the meaning of course.)

Obviously, Elizabeth was a committed Christian but a very flexible one. Even today, her statement equating long-standing religious disputes with "trifles" would no doubt shock many fellow Christians, Protestant and Catholic alike!


I thought that the quote was "There is only one truth and the rest is a dispute over trifles..."

PS: I love trifles (yummy cream, cakes and jelly!)

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PPS: I really don't mind how anyone spells rskkiya so long as it's not spelled "sausage pie" as I would rather not get eaten up for dinner.

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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2005, 02:46:53 PM »
O/T but forgive me. Reminds me of the old WWI mistake, the original message was "send reinforcements" The message the allies received was "send three and four pence" :o
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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2005, 06:39:18 AM »
LOL, i bet it took them a long time to figure out the purpose of that message  :D

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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2005, 01:48:19 PM »
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(For some reason in the BBC series "Elizabeth R" they misquoted her as saying, "There is only one Christ Jesus and the rest is a dispute about titles."

 


In fact I have always understood "trifles" in Eliz. R, but maybe I haven't been hearing right  :P.

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Re: Elizabeth I and her Religious Feelings
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2006, 11:43:56 AM »
She was religious as all people were in that age. Perhaps if she had been born in more modern times, she woudn't have had much interest in religion. But given the age she was born in, she was defintely interested in religion, and was what is called religious. She would however have most likely followed whatever form of religion was feasible for her country, and let her own inclinations go on the back burner. As she herself said, the rest was trifles. As long as there was some Christian religion, that was all that mattered. I don't know as she would have believed in non Christian religions.

She was defintely tolerant for her age, even if in practice some lashing out against Catholics was necessary. She herself, though was tolerant in a modern way, as well of differences in religious opinion. She had the wisdom not to be intolerant or a fanatic, not a gift granted to many in that age. She is to be applauded for that. Her own prefered way of worship seems to have been the more high church Anglican, where there is some formality, but it is still protesant.
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