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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #135 on: September 05, 2006, 12:25:46 PM »
Are there any pictures /paintings of her children ?

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #136 on: September 07, 2006, 01:52:05 PM »
Are there any pictures /paintings of her children ?

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I don't think so. It's even very difficult to find photographs of them.  :-\
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #137 on: September 07, 2006, 04:58:40 PM »
Here's a site which details the tombs of many of the family, including the d'Aumales. It shows the tombs of Henri & Marie Caroline, as well as a dual one of 2 of their sons, which is very touching

http://perso.orange.fr/stephane.thomas/capetien/dreux/dreux.htm

14 - Henri duc d'Aumale (1822 - 1897) Gisant de Paul Dubois 
 
15 - Marie-Caroline de Bourbon-Naples duchesse d'Aumale (1822 - 1869)inhumée dans la chapelle Saint-Charles Borromée   Weybridge, transférée en 1876 Gisant de Charles-Joseph Lenoir
   
16 - François duc de Guise (1854 - 1872) fils du duc d'Aumale
   
17 - Louis prince de Condé (1845 - 1866) fils du duc d'Aumale
   
18   24 - dans un même tombeau les corps de 6 enfants du duc d'Aumale inhumés dans la chapelle Saint-Charles Borromée   Weybridge, transférés en 1876
   
25 et 26 - Ferdinand d'Orléans infant d'Espagne (1859 - 1873) et son frère Louis (1867 - 1874)
Gisants de Aimé Millet
 

Based on what it says for #18-24, did she have miscarriages or stillbirths? It seems that there are bodies for the children that were transformed from St Charles Borromeo in Weybridge.
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #138 on: September 08, 2006, 03:37:53 AM »

http://perso.orange.fr/stephane.thomas/capetien/dreux/dreux.htm

Based on what it says for #18-24, did she have miscarriages or stillbirths? It seems that there are bodies for the children that were transformed from St Charles Borromeo in Weybridge.

What an interesting website! Thanks.

As far as I know, Lina had miscarriages / stillbirths in 1849, 1861 and 1864.

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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #139 on: September 17, 2006, 03:04:23 AM »
Dear Discussion Group,

I'd like to have more information about Princess Marie Christine Caroline Adélaïde Françoise Léopoldine d'Orléans, second daughter of Louis Philippe and Marie Amélie. She was born on April 12th 1813 in Palermo and died on January 2nd 1839 in Pisa at the age of 25.
Marie was married to Alexander Duke of Württemberg (1804-1881) and was mother of a son, Philippe Alexander (1838-1917). I read that it had been her wish that her son was educated by his grandparents in France.

As far as I know, Marie was an artist. Can you tell me a bit more about her work?

Who arranged the weddind between Marie and Alexander? Was their marriage happy?

I know that we had this thread about Louis Philippe's children, but I could only find portraits of Marie there.

Thanks.
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #140 on: September 17, 2006, 06:20:27 AM »
Princess Marie Christine Caroline Adélaïde Françoise Léopoldine was born on April 2 1813 in Palermo, the 3rd child and 2nd daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Orléans (later King Louis Philippe & Queen Marie Amélie of the French). Marie was just a year younger than her eldest sister Louise and the 2 were brought up together. The 2 sisters were devoted to each other though they were very different both physically (Louise fair with blue eyes while Marie was dark) and in character. Louise was sweet and painstaking (which earned her the nickname of "angelic" among the family) while Marie was more daring, witty and wild. According to Mme de Boigne, she was Louis Philippe's favorite. Her health was frail and she suffered of tuberculosis though it went unrecognized during years. During her teenage years, the Princess grew more and more sensitive, exalted, moody and introspective - like so many of her generation, she probably suffered from what was known as la maladie du siècle : world-weariness. She wrote to her sister Louise after her marriage to King Léopold of the Belgians : " How unhappy I am since you left my poor friend ! I love you so ! I cannot enjoy anything without you ! [...] Let me tell you again & again how passionately I love you and all I have lost ... I seem to be falling in some kind of raving (I cannot find a French word to express what I feel) and ask myself how I will be able to manage a life where you are not. This is driving me mad ... Chateaubriand once said that "life is a painful dream" and I say that life is a painful reality". And again : "So I turned 20 today ! How old I am ! If only I could be sure I would be reasonable ! In the meantime, I cannot help feeling sad and lonely".

Marie had no leaning toward court life, she hated balls and receptions and enjoyed swimming in the river Seine. When she learnt that her father was to be made king she cried a flood of tears. She was very good at drawing and took lessons with the best masters. She then turned to sculpture where she showed great gift. She sculpted several statues of Jeanne d'Arc which can still be seen today (2 in Paris, another in front of the town hall in Orléans, one apparently in a museum in Dorndrecht ...). She also found inspiration for her sculptures in her own family or in her favorite books.

As a teenager she fell in love with a commoner whose identity has never been discovered - he is evoked in the letters exchanged between Marie's mother and sister Louise under the nickname "Pantalon". Unlike her eldest sister, Marie desperately wished to marry. There was some talk of a possible union with her cousin the Duke of Syracusa but after months of transaction the Neapolitan family refused. It was King Léopold I of the Belgians who finally proposed one of his nephews, Prince Alexander of Würtemberg. They were married in October 1837 in Trianon. Theirs was apparently a happy match and Marie enjoyed life in Germany with her husband. But a fire destroyed their residence and the young couple went back to France where Marie gave birth to a son Philippe in Neuilly in July 1838. The Princess's health was rapidely failing. She left for Italy with her husband - first Genova then Pisa where she died in January 1839. Her favourite brother Nemours, whom she called "Tan", was the only one of her family to be near her when she died.
On her deathbed she made her husband promise that their son would be raised in the Catholic faith. Little Philippe spent the greatest part of his childhood in France with his grandparents.
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #141 on: September 17, 2006, 10:42:47 AM »
Your text was extremely interesting to read, Agneschen. Thanks a lot. Do you have some more paitings apart from those you have already posted in the topic about Louis Philippe's children? I would love to see them.
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #142 on: September 17, 2006, 12:08:34 PM »
Yes, Agneschen, beautifully written!  :)
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« Reply #143 on: September 17, 2006, 04:58:37 PM »
Thank you !  :)

Unfortunately I fear I do not have many more portraits of Princess Marie as they are dreadfully hard to find. I will try and do some close-up though on more general pictures where she appears. I also have a couple of Marie's drawings of her sister Louise which I will scan as soon as I have time.

Here is a very interesting link that I have just found. You can see several pics of the Joan of Arc sculpture that is in Orléans. There is also a couple of pics of Marie's grave in Dreux (the Angel of Resignation above the Princess's grave was her own work) :
http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/search/results.html?ixsid=iNxPU1tJXE8&qs=marie+orleans

I will try and locate the Joan of Arc statues that are in Paris and see if I can photograph them.

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« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2006, 01:12:49 PM »
What a wonderful website! Thanks a million, Agneschen.  :D
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Re: King Louis Philippe and his family
« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2006, 01:33:30 PM »
This was the time when a Place Jeanne d'Arc sprang up in almost every town in France - so it was a good idea to specialise in this figure. Jeanne had never been a big thing under the ancien regime, perhaps because of the ambivalent support she had received from the Dauphin Charlles  :-\.

In the early 19th century her appeal as a national symbol caught on, particularly under the July Monarchy - with the Orleans connection. Her cult was also taken on by those who regretted the ongoing secularisation of society.
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« Reply #146 on: December 01, 2006, 03:03:55 AM »
Great news to all the admirers (like myself) of Princess Clémentine ! I have just heard on the radio that a bio of her is in preparation (in French, by a Belgian historian) and should be published in a few months. This is all I know at present but will keep my eyes & ears open.

The book will be called La Medicis des Cobourg - Clémentine d'Orléans by the Belgian historian Olivier Defrance (the publisher is Racine). The cover will apparently be a close-up of the famous Winterhalter portrait. Defrance's bios of King Léopold I and Princess Louise of Belgium were both excellent so I have great hopes about the Clémentine one which I am eagerly awaiting. I preordered a copy on amazon.fr yesterday and the estimate shipping date is Jan. 31 2007 - let us hope there will be no delay.

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« Reply #147 on: February 02, 2007, 08:21:33 AM »
Great news to all the admirers (like myself) of Princess Clémentine ! I have just heard on the radio that a bio of her is in preparation (in French, by a Belgian historian) and should be published in a few months. This is all I know at present but will keep my eyes & ears open.

The book will be called La Medicis des Cobourg - Clémentine d'Orléans by the Belgian historian Olivier Defrance (the publisher is Racine). The cover will apparently be a close-up of the famous Winterhalter portrait. Defrance's bios of King Léopold I and Princess Louise of Belgium were both excellent so I have great hopes about the Clémentine one which I am eagerly awaiting. I preordered a copy on amazon.fr yesterday and the estimate shipping date is Jan. 31 2007 - let us hope there will be no delay.

The book was initially scheduled for publication in November 06.  Then rescheduled for January 07.  Now it is scheduled for April 2007.  Eurohistory.com sells all of Racine's royalty collection and I have been in contact with Monsieur Defrance for some time now regarding information he is going to use in the Clementine Coburg book.  I have high hopes for it as not much has been done on this fascinating woman!

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« Reply #148 on: June 12, 2007, 06:56:21 AM »
When it will be released the book on Princess Clementine?It is now June  and  still not available in Amazon.fr. Any news about it?

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« Reply #149 on: June 12, 2007, 07:47:25 PM »
Still waiting...Books are sometime slow to be published. Just heard that Sutton changed hands and that could have an affect on future royal book publications.  ???