King Louis Philippe and his family

[Eric_Lowe]

Not a lot on her. just a few posed shots and the marriage pictures. 

[MarieCharlotte]

Not a lot on her. just a few posed shots and the marriage pictures. 

Oh, I like these pictures a lot. ;-) Most of them I have never seen before. The pic of Clémentine in a black dress with her little grandson Luitpold is really touching.

[YaBB_Jose]

He was the 8th child of LouisPhilippe and Marie Amélie.
He was born in 1820 and died in 1828.
His immediate elder brother was François dk of Joinville and he was followed by Henri dk of Aumale.
What did he die of ?
Are there any pics of him, despite having died so young ?
Royals used to command portraits of their children from very early age, so maybe someone has spotted one of little Charles.
Thanks in advance.

[Aliocha]

Hello,
You're right: Charles is born in 1820 and died 8 years later; but he was knew as "Charles de Penthièvre" (his brother Antoine, born in 1824, was "de Montpensier").

[Tybalt]

http://s135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/geneaguy/?action=view&current=CharlesdOrlans18201828ducdePenthivr.jpg
i think there is another pic of him but i don't remeber where i have seen it

[Mari]

Very nice photo! Thank you!

[beladona]

I have read, that little Charles was mentally and physically ill, is that true?

[tecklenburg]

Hello

I read in the biography of Louis-Philippe by Michel de Grèce that HSH The duke of Penthièvre had a poor health so that his parents decided to make him a clerk. If he had lived, he would have probably been an abbot or a bishop.

[Norbert]

sorry i can't give you the reference but I have a note that he was mentally handicapped.

[REMI]

sorry i can't give you the reference but I have a note that he was mentally handicapped.

January 1st 1820: Marie-Amélie, duchess of Orléans, future Queen of the French, eight months gone, is attending the ceremony of the New year at the Court. She has been standing all the day. She cannot sit down.Towards night, at home, she brings to light  a boy named Charles and styled duc de Penthièvre. He'll be called "Pimpin" by his parents. Having a premature child at that time is a disaster. The father, duke of Orléans, realized that his son will not  be able to live.He is physically weak and mentally retarded. Marie Amélie writes in his diary: "The poor little Penthièvre".  A servant, Joseph Uginet, who is also a... police spy, looks after the little sick boy with a great attachment. Lingering illness and convulsions suceed each other alternately. "Pimpin" dies in dreadful spasms on july 25th 1828.
The description given by his mother let think that the child had been probably suffering from epilepsy....(Source: Marie-Amélie's diary)

REMI

[YaBB_Jose]

Thanks for answering this long-forgotten thread.
Lovely picture, and very poignant considering what was said about him.
I knew nothing of his condition, despite his early death could have been dictated by a poor health.

About his nephews.
Henri duke of Aumale had, at least 7 children, of which only 2 arrived to adulthood:
Louis-Philippe, pr. de Condé (1845-66) and
François, duke of Guise (1854-72)

I imagine there are photos of both and someone hopefully will post them.
What did they die of , one at 21, the other at 28 ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;i=198609

[Norbert]

yes, thank you for that

[Mari]

Photograph of Louis Phillipe 1845-1866( scroll down #16)  Buried at Chapelle Royale St.Louis, Dreux.  Same Burial Place for the siblings.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/bourbon/bbsicilie2/1885%2520Philippe.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.royaltyguide.nl/families/bourbon/bborleans2.htm&h=246&w=163&sz=8&hl=en&start=12&sig2=S4aL7VBbXbj-O1_Ru5Ibrw&um=1&tbnid=SRr6kqXKq928nM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=73&ei=KpYkSO-hPJ3UhQKGxeHGDA&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPrince%2Bde%2BConde,%2BLouis%2BPhillipe,%2Bprince%2Bde%2BConde%2B1845-1866%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DbcC%26sa%3DG

[YaBB_Jose]

Thanks a lot.
I know that site but I have never seen such photo.
It must have been put there recently.

Let's hope someone will find a picture of his brother Guise.
I suppose at their parent's "house", Chateau de Chantilly, there will be paintings of both brothers.

Condé does not look very healthy.
Or may be it is just that romantic blasé poise.
Anybody knows what did he die of ?

[REMI]

Thanks for answering this long-forgotten thread.
Lovely picture, and very poignant considering what was said about him.
I knew nothing of his condition, despite his early death could have been dictated by a poor health.

About his nephews.
Henri duke of Aumale had, at least 7 children, of which only 2 arrived to adulthood:
Louis-Philippe, pr. de Condé (1845-66) and
François, duke of Guise (1854-72)

I imagine there are photos of both and someone hopefully will post them.
What did they die of , one at 21, the other at 28 ?

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;i=198609

Dear José
1) Louis Philippe d'Orléans, prince de Condé, "Guégué" for his family, died in Sydney (Australia) in 1866, may 24th of thyphoidal fever against which the medecine can nothing at that time.The prince was engaged  with his first cousin Marguerite, duke of Nemours's daughter. In 1863, the prince Louis Philippe dissuaded his father to accept the throne of Greece.
You can find a pic of Condé on www.royalguide.nl/families/bourbon/bborleans.
2) As for François d'Orléans, duc de Guise, he died (at 18 years old and no at 28) of "terrible thyphoidal fever", following Berthe  of Clinchamp, Duke of Aumale's friend. In his agenda, duke of Aumale says: "scarlet fever". Other sources mention: "cerebral illness (?)
The prince François called his father: "Pips" !
He has left a diary.
The painter JALABERT has  left portraits of the two princes .
Sources:" Le duc d'Aumale" by Raymond CHAZELLES (in french).

Remi