King Louis Philippe and his family

[YaBB_Jose]

Thanks Rémi for your post.

And the age correction. You know, me and maths, we never went along.

Found this sketch of François:

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=pt;m=IMH;d=115086425;i=198574;k=/francois.4.d_orleans

Any chance of a pic of the comtesse de Clinchamps ? What's her story ?
Was there really a marraige ? Other Orléans princes are reputed to have secretely married - Emmanuel de Vendôme comes to mind, but it was never openly admitted...

[REMI]

Dear José
The countess Berthe de Clinchamp began in Chantilly as Duchess of Aumale 's maid of honour. After the death of the Duchess, she stayed in the Castle and became Duke's maid... of heart (Michel of Greece dixit).She reigned on Chantilly. Many people think she married duke of Aumale but there is no proof of that. In the album about Count of Paris published in 1996 by his nephew Michel of Greece there is a pic of Berthe de Clinchamp (p.67)

REMI

[YaBB_Jose]

Dear José
 In the album about Count of Paris published in 1996 by his nephew Michel of Greece there is a pic of Berthe de Clinchamp (p.67)

REMI

Dear REMI

Many thanks for your insight on Berthe.
Can you post her picture ?

José

[REMI]

Many thanks for your insight on Berthe.
Can you post her picture ?

José
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Have you got the  pic of Berthe of Climchamp?

REMI

[YaBB_Jose]

Yes. I received it well and fine.
An imposing figure.
Thank you once again

José

[Bourgogne]

Isabelle's 4 children were from her 1st husband Count d'Harcourt.

Bernard (1925-1958)
m.1st 4 Nov 1948 (div 1949) Zenaide Rachewska (born 1 Sep 1930);
m.2d Paris 27 Jan 1951 Yvonne de Contades (born 22 Apr 1928)
> Bruno (born 1951)
> Francois (born 1953)

Gilone Jeanne Armande Anne Marie (born 1927)
m.Cany 9 Sep 1950 Antoine de Dreux-Brézé (born 1928)
> Laure de Dreux-Brézé (born 1951)
> Anne de Dreux-Brézé (1952-1953)
> Diane de Dreux-Brézé (born 1954)
> Anne-Pierre de Dreux-Brézé (1958-1958)
> Isabelle de Dreux-Brézé (1964-1966)

Isabelle Henriette Christiane Gabrielle Marie (1927-1993)
m.Paris 20 Oct 1948 Pr Louis Murat (born 1920)   
> Pierre Charles Marie Jean Joachim Napoléon (born 1949)
> Xavier Paul Marie Bruno Joachim Napoléon (1951-1951)
> Leïla Marie Isabelle Solange Monique Anne (born 1953)
> Laura Marguerite Marie Cécile Gilone (born 1954)
> Bernard Pierre Marie François Paul Joachim Napoléon (born 1959)
> Jérôme-Paul Louis Marie Joachim Napoléon (born 1966)

Monique Gabrielle Caroline Juliette Marie (born 1929)
m.Paris 1 Jul 1948 (rel) 3 Jul 1948 Cte Alfred Boulay de la Meurthe (born 1925)
> Gilone (born 1949)
> Iseult (born 1956)

Monique Gabrielle Caroline Juliette Marie d'Harcourt and Alfred Joseph Marie Stéphane Boulay de la Meurthe had another daughter, Laure (born in Rabat, Morocco, 27-04-1951).

She had 2 children with Sir Jimmy Goldsmith (uncle of the actress Clio Goldsmith and father of Jemina Goldsmith who married the pakistani cricket champion Imran Khan):

Charlotte (b.1983) and Jethro (b.1988), but Laure and Jimmy Goldsmith were not married and the children bear the name of their mother...

[Norbert]

how the great have fallen eh?

[Bourgogne]

how the great have fallen eh?

Indeed... But Sir Jimmy Goldsmith already had a quite bright kinship...

His first wife (1954) was Isabelle Patino, daughter of Cristina de Borbon, daughter of Fernando de Borbon, son of Pedro d'Alcantara de Borbon, duke of Durcal, son of Sebastian-Gabriel de Borbon-Braganza, grand-son of king Charles III of Spain.

And his father's aunt was Minna of Rothschild, first cousin of Bertha of Rothschild. And Bertha of Rothschild was princess of Wagram, her husband was Alexandre Berthier, prince and duke of Wagram, son of Napoléon Berthier and Zénaïde Clary (niece of Désirée Clary, queen of Sweden). And Napoléon Berthier was the son of Louis-Alexandre Berthier, prince of Neuchâtel et Valengin, prince de Wagram, and Elisabeth of Bavaria, aunt of duke Maximilian, Sissi's father...

[Yseult]

I have these two pictures of Clementine...

[Svetabel]

I have these two pictures of Clementine...

I'm sorry but that is not Clementine. The style of the dress is from the 1880s, and Clementine was born in 1817, so she definitely didn't look like a fashoinable decolleted lady about 30-40 years in the 1880s.
The woman in your picture looks like an actress.

[REMI]

I don't think either she is Clémentine

REMI

[Mari]

Princess Clementine d'Orleans

http://www.lagubiayeltas.us/images/Personajes/Clementinesaxe.jpg

[REMI]

Thanks, Mari. This lady is Clémentine well.

REMI

[Yseult]

I have these two pictures of Clementine...

I'm sorry but that is not Clementine. The style of the dress is from the 1880s, and Clementine was born in 1817, so she definitely didn't look like a fashoinable decolleted lady about 30-40 years in the 1880s.
The woman in your picture looks like an actress.

Maybe you´re true...But the two pictures were found at the Base Joconde of the Ministery of Culture (French Ministery)...I´m surprised about Base Joconde identifying as princess Clementine a dancer...can be, of course, but I can´t understand such a mistake...

[REMI]

Maybe you´re true...But the two pictures were found at the Base Joconde of the Ministery of Culture (French Ministery)...I´m surprised about Base Joconde identifying as princess Clementine a dancer...can be, of course, but I can´t understand such a mistake...
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Sorry, these pics cannot be found at the Base Joconde under the name of Clémentine d'Orléans. But you can find other photos, particularly this one of Clémentiine older with a very beautiful chlld.

REMI