King Louis Philippe and his family

[MarieCharlotte]

In most of the pictures which were taken during Amélie and Clotilde's childhood, they wear the same dresses. Maybe that was cheaper ... :p

I was just joking ... of course, it was no matter of money.

[MarieCharlotte]

Amélie, Max Emanuel and their sons Siegfried and Christoph.

[MarieCharlotte]

I just read that Ferdinand Philippe was deeply in love with Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Karl and future Queen of the Two Sicilies. He even made two proposals to her, but Metternich was against this plan. Does anybody know more about it?

[Clelia]

I just read that Ferdinand Philippe was deeply in love with Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Karl and future Queen of the Two Sicilies. He even made two proposals to her, but Metternich was against this plan. Does anybody know more about it?

Hi MarieCharlotte. I've read that not only Metternich and her family were against the match, but also Nicholas Tsar of Russia. And that the reason for Metternich's rejection was that he didn't want another french, and in this case the heir of Louis Philippe, marrying an austrian archduchess, like it had happened with Marie Louise and Napoleon.

[Agneschen]

I just read that Ferdinand Philippe was deeply in love with Archduchess Maria Theresia, daughter of Archduke Karl and future Queen of the Two Sicilies. He even made two proposals to her, but Metternich was against this plan. Does anybody know more about it?

According to the late Countess of Paris in her bio of Queen Marie Amélie, it was Archduchess Maria Theresia who was in love with Ferdinand. All Ferdinand saw in her was a prestigious alliance. His first choice had apparently been Archduchess Augusta of Tuscany (who married Luitpold of Bavaria) but in both cases Metternich opposed the match. Princess Sophie of Württemberg (future Queen of the Netherlands) as well as princess Maria Cristina of the 2 Sicilies are also said to have caught his eye.

[Agneschen]

Ferdinand reported that Maria Theresia looked "sickly & puny" and his sister Louise called her "the little Austrian runt". Hardly flattering ...

[Duke of New Jersey]

Ferdinand reported that Maria Theresia looked "sickly & puny" and his sister Louise called her "the little Austrian runt". Hardly flattering ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Philippe,_Duke_of_Orl%C3%A9ans

I know that Wikipedia cannot be always trusted but the section on Ferdinand Philippe's marriage has a lot of interesting quotes form Louise who seems to have had a vitriolic tongue.

-Duke of NJ

[Marc]

Yes,great section...I always loved those kind of marriage stories and comments,of course

[Marie Valerie]

Clementine and her daughters Amalie and Clothilde

[LenelorMiksi]

I'm trying to identify all of the people in this portrait at the Chateau d'Eu in 1845... some of them are eluding me. 



So far I believe -

The Children left to right
1. Robert, later Chartres
2. Louis Philipp, later Comte de Paris
3. Gaston Nemours
4. Ferdinand Nemours
5. August of Saxe-Coburg (baby)
6. Philipp of Württemberg
7. Philipp of Saxe-Coburg

The Ladies left to right
1. Hélène duchesse d'Orléans
2. unknown, maybe Alexandrine of Saxe-Coburg, nèe Baden
3. Marie Caroline duchesse d'Aumale
4. Adelaide d'Orléans, King Louis-Philippe's sister
5. Queen Victoria
6. Queen Marie Amelie
7. Clémentine Saxe-Coburg, nèe d'Orléans

Gentlemen left to right
1. unknown
2. King Louis-Philippe
3. Albert, Prince Consort
4. François Prince of Joinville (primarily due to hair color and style of beard)
5. August of Saxe-Coburg

Due to the ages of the children, it seems to me that the Nemours boys are in the painting, but where's Victoire?  I've been trying to compare other paintings but thought I'd seek the expertise of those on the board!

[Agneschen]

Men standing (from left to right) : Prince of Salerno (Leopoldo of the 2 Sicilies), King Louis-Philippe, François Joinville, Prince Albert, August of Saxe-Coburg (Kohari).

The women & children are (from left to right) : Hélène Duchess of Orléans with her 2 sons Robert Chartres & Philippe Paris, Princess of Salerno (hat with green ribbons), her daughter Carolina "Lina" Aumale, Mme Adélaïde (Louis-Philippe's sister), QV, Queen Marie-Amélie with 3 of her grandsons : Gaston Eu (in the red dress), Ferdinand Alençon (blond toddler next to Gaston), Philipp of Würtemberg (elder boy, standing behind), Clémentine of Saxe-Coburg with her 2 sons (baby August on her lap & Philipp in the foreground).

I'm trying to identify all of the people in this portrait at the Chateau d'Eu in 1845... some of them are eluding me. 



So far I believe -

The Children left to right
1. Robert, later Chartres
2. Louis Philipp, later Comte de Paris
3. Gaston Nemours
4. Ferdinand Nemours
5. August of Saxe-Coburg (baby)
6. Philipp of Württemberg
7. Philipp of Saxe-Coburg

The Ladies left to right
1. Hélène duchesse d'Orléans
2. unknown, maybe Alexandrine of Saxe-Coburg, nèe Baden
3. Marie Caroline duchesse d'Aumale
4. Adelaide d'Orléans, King Louis-Philippe's sister
5. Queen Victoria
6. Queen Marie Amelie
7. Clémentine Saxe-Coburg, nèe d'Orléans

Gentlemen left to right
1. unknown
2. King Louis-Philippe
3. Albert, Prince Consort
4. François Prince of Joinville (primarily due to hair color and style of beard)
5. August of Saxe-Coburg

Due to the ages of the children, it seems to me that the Nemours boys are in the painting, but where's Victoire?  I've been trying to compare other paintings but thought I'd seek the expertise of those on the board!

[PrinceEddy1864]

oh thank you agneschen! i had been wondering about some of the older sitters.

[duchesse de Chartres]

i was wondering - during his reign, what werre the styles of his children and male line descendants? i know prior to his reign that they were styled with ''Serene Highness'' as they held the rank of Princes of the Blood (prince du Sang)

but what after? was it Royal Highness? and also, where they styled Prince/ess of France, Prince/ess of the French or Prince/ess of Orléans?!?!?

[Bourgogne]

Louis-Philippe's family received the title of Royal Highness before Louis-Philippe's reign.

They were Serene Highness until the 21 september 1824.

The 21 september 1824, King Louis XVIII accorded the title of Royal Highness to Louis-Philippe and to all his children, and to Louis-Philippe's sister Adélaïde.

For Marie-Amélie, she had already the title of Royal Highness, because she was daughter of the King of Two-Sicilies (and in the french court, she was more "high-ranking" than her husband. When they were in front of a door, she was going into the room before her husband, with the double-door completely open, and only after her, he came into, with the double-door just half-open!).

Then, when Louis-Philippe became King, his family had already the title of Royal Highness.

For the other part of the question, Louis-Philippe decided by an ordonnance, the 13 august 1830, that his children would continue to bear the name and the arms of Orléans, the sons with just their usual title (duke of Orléans, duke of Nemours, Prince of Joinville, duke of Aumale and duke of Montpensier), the daughters with the titles of "Princesses Louise, Marie and Clémentine of Orléans".

So they were styled Prince/ess of Orléans, and were never styled Prince/ess of France, Prince/ess of the French.

An exception : the heir, duke of Orléans, had also the title of "Royal Prince of the French" (Prince Royal des Français).

[duchesse de Chartres]

Louis-Philippe's family received the title of Royal Highness before Louis-Philippe's reign.

They were Serene Highness until the 21 september 1824.

The 21 september 1824, King Louis XVIII accorded the title of Royal Highness to Louis-Philippe and to all his children, and to Louis-Philippe's sister Adélaïde.

For Marie-Amélie, she had already the title of Royal Highness, because she was daughter of the King of Two-Sicilies (and in the french court, she was more "high-ranking" than her husband. When they were in front of a door, she was going into the room before her husband, with the double-door completely open, and only after her, he came into, with the double-door just half-open!).

Then, when Louis-Philippe became King, his family had already the title of Royal Highness.

For the other part of the question, Louis-Philippe decided by an ordonnance, the 13 august 1830, that his children would continue to bear the name and the arms of Orléans, the sons with just their usual title (duke of Orléans, duke of Nemours, Prince of Joinville, duke of Aumale and duke of Montpensier), the daughters with the titles of "Princesses Louise, Marie and Clémentine of Orléans".

So they were styled Prince/ess of Orléans, and were never styled Prince/ess of France, Prince/ess of the French.

An exception : the heir, duke of Orléans, had also the title of "Royal Prince of the French" (Prince Royal des Français).

thaaankk you =]
i did not understand how they were styled at all
the door story really is ridiculous is it not? ha such was the world of the French court! lol