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The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« on: October 11, 2005, 05:35:37 AM »
Is it true that the Winter Palace during the reign of Nicholas II, was red?

It exists any paint of this Palace painted in red?.

I sow it in green, and i can´t imagine it red.

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2005, 09:08:27 AM »
At the time of the Revolution, it was red. I rather think that the turquoise is lighter, but red would be magnificent with all the gold.


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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2005, 12:27:04 PM »
Turqiouse was close to the original colour that Rastrelli choose.....Red was more in keeping with the Pan Slavic movemnet that was prevelant during the reign of Nicholas II a sort of return to the old Russian architectural styles...I believe Peterhof was also painted red

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2005, 02:22:17 PM »
According to the official Hermitage website, the original color was yellow.

http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/12/2004/hm12_3_4.html

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2005, 11:34:20 PM »
Rastrelli choose turqiouse.
In 18-19 it was yellow.
In 19-beginning of 20 it was bordeaux (the color of claret)
I was said in Hermitage that they used the color which
paint the had a lot . ( the building is huge, the paint was expensive).
During Soviet times, there were no problem with budget for Hermitage, so they choose the Rastrelli's one.
I think that it is the best.
It symbolizes that St. Petersburg is the big port and that it is the window to the Europe.
Nobody liked the color Winter Palace at the beginning of the 20th century : it seems to be very dark .

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2005, 10:53:10 AM »
Someone told me that the Winter Palace was painted Red during the season that the Czar resided there and Green when he was (presumably) living at Tsarskoye Selo. I'm not sure if this is correct however as the Winter Palace would be in a constant state of construction due to its massive size.

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2005, 02:20:47 PM »
I read somewhere (don't ask me where) that Imperial Palaces were painted "Red."  I think maybe on the orders of Nicholas I.
The context was that the Alexander Palace didn't have to be "Red" because it was a private palace and not an Imperial one.  I am a little unclear on the distinction.  Howver, thinking about the AP it was given to Nicholas I for his personal use by Alexander I (long before there was any thought that Nicholas might become Tsar). So I can see where it might be considered a "private palace."  
Has anyone else heard anything like this?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2006, 10:37:53 PM »
The yellow color is considered as the main color of russian classic style.
So, Alexandr Palace is yellow.
So, those time (the end of 18- beginning of 19), Winter Palace was yellow too - they had a lot of yellow color paint.
(We could see the yellow Winter Palace in the number of the paintings of those times).

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2006, 11:02:28 AM »
According to the Hermitage website link Gavin O. provided above, the Winter Palace was originally painted a sandy color with a tinge of yellow.  The architectural details (windows, architraves, etc.) were picked out in white.

This color scheme was retained after the fire of 1837 and remained the color of the palace until the late 19th-century, when it was painted a dark red.  This color was chosen to match the stone railing foundations that were used to enclose a new garden laid out on the western side of the palace (which resulted from an attempt to quell the noise of a new horse tramway running between the palace and the Admiralty).  At this time, all the architectural detail was painted to match the walls.  Commentators at the time seemed to feel this uni-color scheme gave the facade a more monumental and harmonious appearance.

In 1911, the palace was repainted in a lighter shade of red, with the uni-color scheme being retained.  Thus the palace ended its imperial era.

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2006, 12:01:03 PM »
Personally, I think that now turquoise green is the best color for the Palace.

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2006, 02:13:02 PM »
I do, too.  I think it captures the baroque character of the building better than the red, as does the return to the contrasting color for architectural details.

I also like the yellow that was so common on St. Petersburg imperial and noble architecture, but that color really seems more suited to neo-classical buildings, which call for a softer pallette.

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2008, 10:12:55 PM »
Further to the discussion of the color facades through the years of the Winter Palace, here is a fascinating historical overview of this same topic with an array of drawings of the various colors:

http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/38/18.html

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2008, 10:25:16 PM »
Further to the discussion of the color facades through the years of the Winter Palace, here is a fascinating historical overview of this same topic with an array of drawings of the various colors:

http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/38/18.html

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http://translate.google.com/translate?u=www.d-c.spb.ru%2Farchiv%2F38%2F18.html&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2008, 01:28:12 PM »
Further to the discussion of the color facades through the years of the Winter Palace, here is a fascinating historical overview of this same topic with an array of drawings of the various colors:
http://www.d-c.spb.ru/archiv/38/18.html

Very interesting link! Thank you, Joanna.

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Re: The colour of the Winter Palace - through years
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009, 09:34:14 PM »

http://www.archi.ru/events/news/news_current_press.html?nid=15092&fl=1&sl=1&tid_1=1

http://www.nevskoevremya.spb.ru/gorod/5205/ermitazhsnovahotyatperekrasit/


the following is the result after sending the original article through the google translator.
(you'll find the original russian text @ the bottom of this post & you'll find the original page via the link above)


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Hermitage want overdye again. Discussed the idea of return to the Winter Palace of the original light yellow appearance
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The color of the Winter Palace may be one of the main urban intrigue Petersburg. The idea of leadership Hermitage overdye facade of a building in a light-yellow, as it was designed by Rastrelli, the stage of active discussion. In the administration of the museum said that while no formal decision to this effect is not.

Specialist restorers prefer not to talk about specific «for» or «against» and called it «puzzling challenge». A municipality interested in the views of St. Petersburg.

Without waiting for official results, we conducted a poll - in the wording. As a result, it was found that the majority - for the preservation of old-new shades Winter Palace. Journalists protest explained that to the emerald facade, which has become one of the symbols of the northern capital of Russia, all have become accustomed to the same on the streets of St. Petersburg vague too little juicy colors to renounce the bright colors. Approval is затеи voted «for» attributed mainly to the consideration that once the great Italian architect saw Hermitage light, then so be it ...

... As you know, since the construction of the Hermitage has been changed in color: from the sand - in pink, of red - to the purple, but after the revolution and is now green. In many ways, depending on the shade of buildings taste his masters-of emperors, which simply Lyuda opinion in this matter not interested. The current government is taking such a decision had to reckon with the citizens, so everyone will provide an opportunity to speak at the public hearing. However, when they will be held in the museum administration have been unable to clarify.

In contrast to the editorial staff of specialists in the field of restoration until refraining from specific applications.

- This is a puzzling problem - explains the idea of repainting the facade Hermitage Deputy Director of the Institute «Spetsproektrestavratsiya» Michael Milchik.

However, the current shade of the main museum of Russia is not happy with everything. According to many experts, the latest painting the building was too intense, and the restorers feel more appropriate muted color. But then negotiated - this is a matter of taste.

- Mikhail Piotrovsky probably knows, what color should be painted Hermitage - expressed his opinion of City Sculpture Museum director Vladimir Timofeyev. - I used to see him the way he is now. But that's the essence - we are used to this! Remember, as in the past looked Moscow railway station. When he painted in this color, many also reacted to the alert. And the house immediately after the Singer Building Petersburgers cause more negative emotions than admiration, but now without it is impossible to Nevsky Prospekt. So why not try to return to the Hermitage of its original appearance? ..

In turn, chairman of the World Club of St. Petersburg Valentina Orlova expressed concern that the lighter shade can quickly turn into a dirty, but this against the backdrop of the Neva looks very elegant.

- Nonetheless, a gentle yellow - a favorite color of Rossi and Rastrelli - specifies Valentina Orlova. - He was attached to buildings and ghost lightness, typical of St. Petersburg. Besides this, we can provide shade in different ways - it all depends on the quality of colors and nuances of color. In any case in this matter will be discussed very seriously.

/ / Irina Tishchenko



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Эрмитаж хотят снова перекрасить. Вынесена на обсуждение идея вернуть Зимнему дворцу его первоначальный светло-желтый облик
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Цвет Зимнего дворца может стать одной из главных градостроительных интриг Петербурга. Идея руководства Эрмитажа перекрасить фасад здания в светло-желтый, каким он был по замыслу Растрелли, на стадии активного обсуждения. В администрации музея сообщают, что пока никакого официального решения на этот счет нет.

Специалисты-реставраторы предпочитают не говорить о конкретных «за» или «против» и называют это решение «головоломной задачей». А городские власти интересуются мнением петербуржцев.

Не дожидаясь официальных итогов, мы провели свой опрос – в редакции. По его итогам выяснилось, что большинство – за сохранение старого-нового оттенка Зимнего дворца. Журналисты свой протест мотивировали тем, что к изумрудному фасаду, который стал одним из символов северной столицы России, все уже привыкли и к тому же на улицах туманного Петербурга слишком мало сочных красок, чтобы отказываться от ярких цветов. Одобрение же затеи проголосовавшие «за» объяснили в основном тем соображением, что раз уж великий итальянский зодчий видел Эрмитаж светлым, значит, так тому и быть…

…Как известно, с момента постройки Эрмитаж не раз менял окраску: от песочного – к розовому, от красного – к пурпурному, а после революции и вовсе стал зеленым. Во многом оттенок здания зависел от вкуса его хозяев-императоров, которых мнение простого люда в этом вопросе мало интересовало. Нынешние же власти, принимая подобные решение, вынуждены считаться с горожанами, поэтому всем желающим предоставят возможность высказаться на общественных слушаниях. Правда, когда они пройдут, в администрации музея уточнить не смогли.

В отличие от сотрудников редакции специалисты в сфере реставрации пока воздерживаются от конкретных заявлений.

– Это головоломная задача, – комментирует идею перекраски фасада Эрмитажа заместитель директора института «Спецпроектреставрация» Михаил Мильчик.

Впрочем, нынешним оттенком главного музея России довольны не все. По оценке многих специалистов, последняя окраска здания оказалась слишком интенсивной, и реставраторы считают уместным более приглушенный цвет. Но тут же оговариваются – это дело вкуса.

– Михаилу Пиотровскому, наверное, виднее, в какой цвет должен быть окрашен Эрмитаж, – высказал свое мнение директор Музея городской скульптуры Владимир Тимофеев. – Я привык его видеть таким, какой он сейчас. Но в этом-то и суть – мы привыкли к этому! Вспомните, как раньше выглядел Московский вокзал. Когда его покрасили в нынешний цвет, многие тоже отнеслись к этому настороженно. И дом Зингера сразу после постройки вызывал у петербуржцев больше негативных эмоций, чем восторгов, а сейчас без него невозможно представить Невский проспект. Так что почему бы и не попробовать вернуть Эрмитажу его первоначальный облик?..

В свою очередь председатель правления Всемирного клуба петербуржцев Валентина Орлова высказала опасение, что светлый оттенок может быстро превратиться в грязный, а вот нынешний на фоне Невы выглядит очень нарядно.

– Тем не менее нежно-желтый – любимый цвет Росси и Растрелли, – оговаривается Валентина Орлова. – Он придает зданиям призрачность и легкость, свойственную Петербургу. К тому же этот оттенок мы можем представлять по-разному – все зависит от качества используемых красок и тонкости колористики. В любом случае в городе этот вопрос будет очень серьезно обсуждаться.


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