Catherine Howard (II)

[Romanov_History_Buff]

I read somewhere that when the dowager Howard (her grandmother) was informed of the affair(s) she was having that she severely punished Catherine and whipped her is that true? (i read it on some Tudor site)

Is that what that guy meant in Henry the VIII and his six wives (Lynne Frederick being Catherine Howard) when he said "a young wild angel whipped of stale blood..." was he referring to that (right after they keep making eye contact while eating and her and Henry come out chatting and laughing)?

I think Lynne did a great job and it's a shame her life ended so young and full of promise too as a pretty young actress!

[Kimberly]

At the age of 10 or 12, Catherine was sent to complete her upbringing in the household of the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk, her step-grandmother.
Catherine was caught alone with Manox ( a music master) on more than one occasion by the Duchess and "she gave Catherine two or three blows".
When Catherine transferred her "favours" to Francis Dereham, (a Howard cousin), Mannox, jealous and frustrated, informed the Duchess by an anonymous letter which was laid on the Duchess's pew.
Catherine's relationships with Manox and Dereham were an open secret in the Duchess's household with Starkey, in his wonderful book, describing the household of the Duchess of Norfolk as a loosely run boarding school and the Duchess herself as a lax "headmistress".

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

Is it true that Henry VII didn't belive at the first times that Catherine was cheating on him?
Is it true that he considered her pure and innocent? I think that yes, if no he would killed her soon

[Kimberly]

Henry at first absolutely refused to believe the allegations against Catherine but immediatey ordered an investigation into the matter. This was to vindicate Catherine rather than to condemn her. When the allegations were corroberated, Henry acted quickly.
The allegations were first presented to the King on All Saints' Day ( 1st November) and Catherine never saw Henry again after the 5th November.
It was the affair she conducted with Culpepper which sealed her fate rather than the fumblings and "goings on" with Manox and Dereham. She was beheaded on 13th February and, yes, she did practise with the block, prior to her execution.

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

In certain part, poor she died very young, she was just 20, but in the other hand she was responsable
of her death. How did he decide to believe the allegations against the Queen? He colud did it before

[Lady Nikolaievna]

Se was only a girl, she didn't think that her acts could result in her death... I though it was very tragic. She did some bad things, but...

[Silja]

Se was only a girl, she didn't think that her acts could result in her death...

Any Tudor courtier, girl or not, would have known such conduct could result in death. Katherine would have known, and so would Lady Rochford.

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

But she had a similar behavior even before marrying Henry VIII. I think that she could took an example of what the king would do to her (even more if the situation was real) looking to the example of Anne Boleyn... (well, in that case was false acusation)...

[Romanov_History_Buff]

This is definitely where one can say "A Rose Without a Thorn"... NOT! She was young and foolish! She had nobody who even cared to teach her to act... ESPECIALLY around the king! Therefore she believed "this is how I've always been allowed to act... why should my new home be any different? Besides Henry loves me and would do everything he could to defend me!" well it turned out that she ended up learning real fast and real late... on her way to the chopping block!

[Yelena Aleksandrovna]

She had luck, the king didn't kill her as soon the rumours of her being unfaithful were known by the King, anyways I agree that she wasn't very clever to prevent her death