Felix Yusupov and the murder of Rasputin

[Valmont]

But at this time in Russia could a monk have a sexual life . I mean was it considerated as normal? Because in the case of Rasputine, he was a religious and he had such an sexual appetite......known by everybody but it was as if people were living without knowing that or keeping it as a secret. Rasputine sexual madness was not a tabou subject and seemed to be quite accepted by the social class in which one he evolved 'cause he had the tsarine protection (and most of the women admiration) whereas Félix homosexuality was a taboo subject but compulsory accepted 'cause he was the heir of one of the most richest family in Russia. 

That's a good question, Could a monk have a sexual life in those times in Russia?.. I think any Monk should not and/or was not allowed  to do it in most countries  and in most religions ( I don't want to start a revolution, this is just what I think). but also, it happenes.... now Did people know about it?.. I think  the general feeling was that they knew.. Now, I remember reading something about a book called something like "Holly fools of the Russian orthodox church" or something similar. The interesting concept of this book, at least it was interesting to me, was that  the more  of a sinner you were, the more you suffered and then the more you got closer to hollyness".. That is the basic concept I remember. Maybe someone else who has more knowledge about this concept or this book  could comfirm  this and explain better ..or correct me too..
In summary, I do not think it was  accepted, but I think it was tolerated...
Does anyone know anything about this?

Arturo Vega-Llausás

[Devarani]

About Greg king's book, The Man Who Killed Rasputine, is there an equivalent in French? Because, yes, it seems to be a good book in the case of Rasputine and Félix.

[Romanov_fan]

I don't know if there is a French version. I myself am tryiing to find a book in English about the family of Prince Luitpold of Baveria ( 1901-1914).

[Richard_Cullen]

Hi

I think it is very important for people to accept, whatever the myth maybe, that Rasputin was not a 'monk'.  In terms of Felix's relationship with him read the passages where he says he was with R in his flat.  Read about the kiss R gave him.  There is a good Russian book that identifies Y as either gay or bi - being married doesn't make any difference.

Richard

[Romanov_fan]

Yes, Rasputin was not a monk, and the complexities of his relationship with Prince Felix can not really be comprehended unless you think a bit. But Prince Felix did not carry on a affair with Rasputin from all the available evidence, as this wasn't really Rasputin's cup of tea. But as mentioned in pretty much any book that concerns the subject, it was a complex relationship, beyond even his murder.

[Devarani]

Rasputin was not a monk !!! But all the books or articles remind him as a monk-well a controversed monk under the influence of wich the tsarine had fallen and also conducted Russia to its loss (well that was mostly Félix job).

[Romanov_fan]

He is sometimes portrayed as a monk, albeit inaccuratly, because he was not, by people who might not understand what he really was.It is an unfortunate misunderstanding.

[Devarani]

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 Re: Félix and Raspoutine love relation
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Hi

I think it is very important for people to accept, whatever the myth maybe, that Rasputin was not a 'monk'.  In terms of Felix's relationship with him read the passages where he says he was with R in his flat.  Read about the kiss R gave him.  There is a good Russian book that identifies Y as either gay or bi - being married doesn't make any difference.

Richard  



I've read (a long time ago but I cannot remenber :-/) abt the fact that during one of their interview, Rasputin kissed Félix. Where was it in his face or his neck? Well can't remenber !
And can you explain why did he do that? If you know the answer


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 Re: Félix and Raspoutine love relation
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Yes, Rasputin was not a monk, and the complexities of his relationship with Prince Felix can not really be comprehended unless you think a bit. But Prince Felix did not carry on a affair with Rasputin from all the available evidence, as this wasn't really Rasputin's cup of tea. But as mentioned in pretty much any book that concerns the subject, it was a complex relationship, beyond even his murder.

 

Yes it was a strange relation but what i would like someone to tell me is what was it? What was it made of? Was it a paradoxical and only a one way relation

Because thanks to all you (members) you told me, there is something always missing in the answer to this request.

Thanks, Deva.

[Romanov_fan]

It was a strange relation; many of Rasputin's relations with people are strange, and many of Prince Felux's were enigmas, for lack of a better word. But I don't think they were ever lovers, contrary to speculation in some books. I think it is just speculation, and common sense would tell you that they were never involved in a physical relationship, because Prince Felix wasn't the type to like uncleanliness, and Rasputin wasn't very clean. Also, Rasputin was heterosexual from what we know, not bisexual. So their relationship may have been complex, but I don't think there was any physical love. I appreciate your interest, and this is a very complex matter, and that's how I see it.

[Devarani]

Thanks .

[Romanov_fan]

Glad I could help, it just makes me happy that someone posts on Felix. I am very fascinated by Prince Felix Yusupov.

[Devarani]

I feel the same like you. The first time I heard about this character I was completly attracted by him . Well his good-look, so smart and his face expresses a story, a life that I wanted to discover. And the fact that Félix symbolizes beauty, elegance and he had a narrow relation with Rasputin who was a dirty, scruffy and disgustin man, well it is just for me something attracting.

[Romanov_fan]

Yes, the first time you hear about Felix, he just really grabs your attention. I enjoy reading your posts on the subject.

[Devarani]

Yes that's exatly what you say .
Did you see the picture of his book Memoirs? My gosh he is just so smart and well no other words. He is a prince that is just evident when we look at his face.

[Devarani]

I would like to know how we do to insert photos in one's post