"The Other Boleyn Girl" dramatized?

[helenazar]

Yes...although the more unknown the character, the more creative the author can be with the story. It is only recently discovered that Mary was the elder sister and both Carey children are now believed to be Henry VIII's bastards.

I don't think that either is known for sure. Some historians think it may be so, while others are not sure. As far as I know, most historians agree that Mary's children's were not fathered by Henry. But obviously there is no way to know one way or another.

[Eric_Lowe]

Except with DNA of course...Do read the new book on Lady Penelope Rich (Lettice Knolly's daughter and thus Mary Boleyn's granddaughter). It has solid proof that Catherine Carey was the elder of the two children (based on written records). The date matched the time frame on the affair which supposed to have taken place between Mary and Henry. So I think the case for Catherine Carey being the natural daughter of Henry VIII was a strong one. Do read that book and look at the evidence before you judge, it may open up new possibilities. 

[helenazar]

I would like tol! What is the title of the book?

[Eric_Lowe]

Why Lady Penelope Rich...It was published in Britian, but I have seen copies of the book available in Border bookshop in Boston, NYC and Miami (also available was the Ella book by Warrick). I am sure you will enjoy reading it. It even have a portrait of Lady Catherine Carey being pregnant...

[helenazar]

Why Lady Penelope Rich...

The title is "Lady Penelope Rich"?  I just looked on Amazon and I don't see this exact title... Do you by any chance have the ISBN? Thanks.

[Eric_Lowe]

Sorry...The Title should be "The Lady Penelope: The Lost Tale Of Love & Politics In The Court Of Elizabeth I"  By Sally Varlow.

[helenazar]

Thanks!

[Eric_Lowe]

You are welcome...

[mcdnab]

Reference this comment -

"And also of the two, Catherine Carey was the elder sibling instead of her brother. That would make her half sister and full cousin to Elizabeth I. Also that would make the execution of Lettice Dudley's son, a necessity since he does have Royal blood through his grandmother..."

The Earl of Essex's illegitimate royal blood (if Catherine was Henry VIII's daughter) would be largely irevelant seeing as he had numerous legitimate Royal Line of descent which would have been far more of a problem.

Here's his main ones from Edward III - though he has many more descents from Edward I.

Edward III - Edmund Duke of York - Richard of Conisburgh, 3rd Earl of Cambridge - Isabel Plantagenet Countess of Essex - William Bourchier Viscount Bourchier - Cecily Bourchier - Walter Devereux 1st Viscount Hereford - Sir Richard Devereux - Walter 1st Earl of Essex - Robert 2nd Earl of Essex.

Edward III - Thomas of Woodstock Duke of Gloucester - Anne of Gloucester -(by her first marriage) Humphrey Stafford 1st Duke of Buckingham - Henry Stafford 2nd Duke of Buckingham - Anne Stafford - Dorothy Hastings - Walter 1st Earl of Essex - Robert 2nd Earl of Essex

Edward III - Thomas of Woodstock Duke of Gloucester - Anne of Gloucester - (by her second marriage) Henry Bourchier Earl of Essex - William Bourchier Viscount Bourchier - Cecily Bourchier - Walter Devereux 1st Viscount Hereford - Sir Richard Devereux - Walter 1st Earl of Essex - Robert 2nd Earl of Essex.

Edward III - Lionel Duke of Clarence - Phillippa Mortimer Countess of Ulster - Roger Mortimer 4th Earl of March - Anne Mortimer -  Isabel Plantagenet Countess of Essex - William Bourchier Viscount Bourchier - Cecily Bourchier - Walter Devereux 1st Viscount Hereford - Sir Richard Devereux - Walter 1st Earl of Essex - Robert 2nd Earl of Essex.

Edward III - John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster - Joan Beaufort - Anne Neville - Henry Stafford 2nd Duke of Buckingham - Anne Stafford - Dorothy Hastings - Walter 1st Earl of Essex - Robert 2nd Earl of Essex.

sorry bit off topic

[Eric_Lowe]

Yes...you point it out that Robert did have royal blood from his father as well as his mother. So his taking of the throne (like Manmouth (also a bastard claim) crediable...The book was fasinating on these claims. I recommend it. 

[mcdnab]

Its an interesting point reference his claims through both his parents - he is fairly low down though as most of the aristocracy had similar Plantagenet claims (in fact you'd be hard pressed to find many of Elizabeth's courtiers who didn't) but added to his religion, his relationship with Elizabeth, and his undoubted public popularity ahead of his rebellion it was a fairly heady mix!

[Eric_Lowe]

A dubious claim can succeed by an army. One only has to look at Henry VII to see how shaky his claim (only his mother Margaret Beaufort had any royal blood and through the bastard line) was to the throne. His son Henry VIII butched anyone who had a better claim than him to the throne. Robert was planning an uprising that would displace Elisabeth and a swift marriage to Arbella Stuart would make him King...

[Silja]

I still would like to see the BBC version,

I've now reluctantly watched the BBC version - as it's on the Six Wives DVD . Not as sexually charged as the movie, but naturally the same outrageous story. The movie was more entertaining though. What a waste of money.

[Eric_Lowe]

Nicer sets and clothes I guess ! 

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

Well for me the best movies about Henry and his six wifes are:
"Henry VIII"
"The Tudors"  the costumes are great and the actiors.... I don't like the Other Boleyn Girl because everything there is happening so fast... almost couldn't understand everything... if i didn't read about what is happening and i can't find no where in the history that she wanted to sleep with her brother and get a child.....  And one last thing for me it's dramatized in the end and in that how Natalie Portman played the rape scene.....

IrinaAlexandrovna