"The Other Boleyn Girl" dramatized?

[Eric_Lowe]

I agree...Mary Boleyn's husband's death and birth of her daughter was cut out. A mini-serieswould have been better than a movie.

[Adagietto]

I've just been watching the film of the Other Boleyn Girl, and found it to be quite enjoyable hokum, the kind of thing one will forget after a day or two. If someone is going to go the trouble of writing a historical novel or indeed making a film, I cannot for the life of me see why they cannot take the trouble to make it historically plausible. Sheer laziness, I suppose; why worry about the complexities and half-shades of history if one force eveything into a simple and almost mechanical romantic plot?

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

Well yes i agree here...
Natalie Portman is sweet girl but i don't like her in The Other Boleyn Girl... And Anne Boleyn didn't cry at the end... And the executioner didn't cut her head like that... He said "Boy fetch my sword" and she looked to see the boy and then he take out the fetch and cut her head... All that and the whole life of Anne Boleyn is showed in the SHOWTIME Production "The Tudors" ... that movie "The Other Boleyn Girl" are nonsenses...

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...Anne Boylen (the real one) did felt remorse at her treatment of Princess Mary and Queen Catherine. Before her death she asked someone to go and beg the Princess to forgive her treatment of her and her mother. Accordingly, Princess Mary forgave her and send word to the ex-queen. That story was not done in either versions...

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

Yes i forgot to write this... But you are right... i don't remember her daughter Elisabeth.. only at the end.... she wasn't a baby when her mother die.... because i remember in Henry VIII that she gave her one little cross and kiss her for Goodbye.... i can't see those things in that movie.....

[Eric_Lowe]

Indeed...Both versions wanted to show Anne as a bitch and Mary as a spoilt brat. The truth was actually much more appealing. That would go to explain why Mary Tudor was kind to little Elizabeth in her later years. In a sense they were both orphans and the villian was their father, Henry VIII. The pleading scene was in "The Tudors", when Anne begged for a second chance with Elizabeth in the garden.

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

Indeed.... I remember in The Tudors that scene with Anne and Elizabeth but can you explain me what Henry mean with "You were not virgin when you marry me ... you are not what you see? " I think she was... but he slept with her before the weding...

[Eric_Lowe]

She had bedded Henry Percy before so she wasn't really a virgin.

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

Ahaaa i remember in Henry VIII but in The Tudors they are not saying this... i mean you have to know it from the history.... Well it wasn't fair saying this to her... Because first she doesn't wanted to marry Henry.....

[Eric_Lowe]

Which Henry ? Henry VIII or Henry Percy ? Anne was keen to marry Percy and she might have crossed the line with him. There were also indications that she was far from chaste during her time in Francis I 's court...

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

I mean the movie Henry VIII but you are right... i think something more happened in the french court.

[mcdnab]

Actually most of Anne's biographies are consistent in the view that she was almost certainly not promiscuous.
Anne was from a relatively young age, unlike her sister, under the control and patronage of women widely regarded for their piety -  Archduchess Margaret of Austria and Queen Claude of France both of whom imposed strict standards on their households. In Claude's case few flouted her moral code despite her husband's reputation. The fact that Anne was regarded well by both Margaret, Claude and Claude's younger sister Renee would suggest that her reputation wasn't an unchaste one. Incidentally Francis I's personal reputation and that of his licentious court increased following the death of Claude of France in 1524 and his second marriage in 1530.  There is also very little evidence that Mary was as unchaste as is often suggested in fiction.
Wether or not Anne gave herself to Percy or not is again highly debateable and impossible to judge - personaly I doubt it.
Let's be honest that history is often unkind to women - Anne was undoubtedly intelligent and her influence on the development of the English reformation is a key chapter in European history. Attacking a woman's morality has always been an easy way to cast doubts on her actions and on the role she played - because of her position as a key figure in the reformation she and her morality was a useful and easy target for Catholic writers keen to attack her daughter, Elizabeth I. They were aided in that by the circumstances and allegations that surrounded her trial and execution.

[Eric_Lowe]

Well...history (remember his story !) recorded that Anne was very keen to marry Henry Percy (it was a genuine love affair between them), but was ripped apart by Cardinal Worlsey. It justified her later revenge on the old and hapless man. The possibility that she would give herself to the one she loved cannot be discounted.

[IrinaAlexandrovna]

Actually most of Anne's biographies are consistent in the view that she was almost certainly not promiscuous.
Anne was from a relatively young age, unlike her sister, under the control and patronage of women widely regarded for their piety -  Archduchess Margaret of Austria and Queen Claude of France both of whom imposed strict standards on their households. In Claude's case few flouted her moral code despite her husband's reputation. The fact that Anne was regarded well by both Margaret, Claude and Claude's younger sister Renee would suggest that her reputation wasn't an unchaste one. Incidentally Francis I's personal reputation and that of his licentious court increased following the death of Claude of France in 1524 and his second marriage in 1530.  There is also very little evidence that Mary was as unchaste as is often suggested in fiction.
Wether or not Anne gave herself to Percy or not is again highly debateable and impossible to judge - personaly I doubt it.
Let's be honest that history is often unkind to women - Anne was undoubtedly intelligent and her influence on the development of the English reformation is a key chapter in European history. Attacking a woman's morality has always been an easy way to cast doubts on her actions and on the role she played - because of her position as a key figure in the reformation she and her morality was a useful and easy target for Catholic writers keen to attack her daughter, Elizabeth I. They were aided in that by the circumstances and allegations that surrounded her trial and execution.

Thank you for that interesting Biography of Anne B .... I'm sure the new fans of her would appraise it .... Well there is alot of true in that opinion of your side ... I have read somewhere something like that

[Eric_Lowe]

Yet she was a determined and bossy woman and can get on other's nerves that too was the truth.