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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2005, 05:13:47 PM »
Dear Eric,

Please read carefully the email sent to you privately by a true authority on this family, David McIntosh, my assistant - who happens to know far more than I do on them and certainly even more than you.  

Read, think and memorize and spare us all the endless chatter about these neverending rumors that you consider gospel.

You too easily believe rumor and consider it truth...it detracts from what you actually know and turns your comments many times into parody.

Using the missing bodies of Nicholas II's children as a plausible excuse for your rant is not accurate by any stretch of the imagination.  First of alkl, the missing bodies are NOT Anastasia and Alexei, but MARIA and Alexei.  Anna Anderson was not a Romanov, Caspar Hauser was not the lost Prince of Baden, Naundorff was not the lost Louis XVII, etc, etc, etc...

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2005, 08:44:14 PM »
Well yes Elviva...

The Russians believed that it is Alexei and Marie, but the Americans and other expects beliveve it was Anastasia. All the sources pointed to a difference of opinion between the two sides. The facts remain two bodies are not accounted for, so things are not cut and dry and final.

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2005, 12:38:25 AM »
Again, not all non-Russian experts believe one of the missing bodies to be that of Anastasia.  The fact of the matter is that the bodies were found and the victims of this terrible tragedy should be left to rest once and for all.  Anna Anderson WAS NOT Anastasia Nicholaevna, plain and simple.  Still some, who have their own agenda, choose to continue in plots and mysteries, dark deeds and influences from highly placed individuals who "hampered" and "tainted" the DNA investigation....booo...oooohhh...the ghosts of Darmstadt brought to life surely.

As for Elvira not being allowed to marry Archduke Leopold Ferdinand Salvator...did you realize that her own sister was allowed to marry Archduke Leopold Salvator of Austria-Tuscany, a first cousin of the above mentioned Leopold Ferdinand Salvator?  Whe then would Franz Joseph have it out for one sister and not the other?  If he forbid this marriage, and I would love to find the source of this statement, could it have been due to the Archduke's own character faults and not the poor exiled Infanta?  Care to illustrate?

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2005, 09:26:23 PM »
Lets stick to facts. Two missing bodies. A veriation of what happened. Definitely an incomplete file.

As for possible reasons why Franz Josef forbid the marriage, that is unimprtant. The fact was he did and according to Archduke Leopold, without a good reason. I am sure there is two sides, but we don't know the Emperor's. Also Franz Josef wasn't too pleased about his daughter Valerie's choice of a husband too, but again Sisi interverned and made sure that her daughter's happiness was secured.

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2005, 12:46:07 AM »
And you extend credibility to Archduke Leopold?  You seriously do?  I find that truly amazing.

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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2005, 12:50:56 PM »
I think we should move on to Antonia's more famous half-sister, Luisa of Tuscany.

I found it strange nobody knew what happened in her last years...Now there is a mystery worth solving.

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2005, 02:13:42 AM »

And you are asking for a "fair trial" for Archduke Leopold...do you mean to tell to all of us who know far more about him than most, that we have nt given this idiot a "fair" trial? Ths would be like saying that Marie Wallersee, Louisa of Tuscany, Louise of Belgium and Catherine Radziwill wrote fair and balanced books, which of course they did not.

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2005, 03:19:33 AM »
No...Luisa's last days were not well known. Even some of her children lost contact with her.

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2005, 03:26:13 AM »
Well...That does not mean what ALL these people wrote were completely lies. Slanted truth yes...written from their own point of will...yes...but untrue in every aspect ? I will not so that far. For example if somebody wrote a bio of you in 20 years time, you think they are all going to be the same ? Not really. I like Catherine Radziwill's books as they were mostly gossips and what the people believed and want to hear at that time, which is why they sold well. It refects the times they were written.

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2005, 10:18:26 AM »
Gossip books are for entertainment, not for obtaining truths about these subjects.  The problem I see here, and I say this to you in a heartfelt manner, is that when you use these books as gospel truth and go about spreading half-truths, people will read these arguments and continue to spred some of the nonsense found in these gossipy books.

As for anyone writing a bio of me, nice thought, but I don't think it would eber happen.  I am just an average guy who happens to possess and above average knowledge and interest in royal matters.  Hardly worth a bio, really.

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2005, 10:57:01 AM »
I think you are quite right. One should not use them as gospel, buy I do wonder if there may be gains of truth somewhere. For example, for a long time Marie Wallersee's account of her Aunt Mathilde having a love child was deemed false. But not long ago Ricardo Mateos wrote a article about this and revealed that Mathilde did indeed had a love child with a Spanish grandee. In fact the title he used was "a vindication for Countess Larisch". I wouldn't say that it proves everything all those authors wrote are thus correct, but I think one should keep an open mind to them.

And yes I do enjoy reading these gossipy books and try to see if I can seperate truth from fiction...

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2005, 10:42:37 AM »
The style look like around 1789, but I think the painting was done later than that...

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2005, 10:56:33 AM »
The portrait is from 1879,done by Johann Schwager!

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Re: The Habsburgs - Grand Dukes of Toscana
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2005, 11:11:06 AM »
Powdered wigs is out of fashion by then, a costume ball ?