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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2008, 02:58:38 PM »
Gd Dss Anne + Leopoldo II's  daughter Marie Antoinette was Abbess of the theresian Convent in Prague and was a candidate to marry the crown prince Rudolf in 1880.......within 3 years she had a a natural son " Robert Pachmann". was she off the rails ?

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« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2008, 02:39:35 AM »
I think there is an own topic on the Pachmann affair, and it seems that it is only a legend. But I cannot say it for sure.
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« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2008, 04:14:57 AM »
Where did they marry in Florence?

Maria Anna and Ferdinand? They married in Vienna on 27 February 1831.
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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2008, 07:31:45 AM »
Many thanks , I wonder where in Vienna? The Habsburg had 3 chapels around the Hofburg and sometimes it was a drawingroom or bedroom in the palace. I actually mean't where did the Gd Dukes marry in Florence...publicly in a state celebration in the city or a family affair in the Pitti Palace?

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« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2008, 02:51:10 PM »
Many thanks , I wonder where in Vienna? The Habsburg had 3 chapels around the Hofburg and sometimes it was a drawingroom or bedroom in the palace. I actually mean't where did the Gd Dukes marry in Florence...publicly in a state celebration in the city or a family affair in the Pitti Palace?

I will look it up when I'm back home.
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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2008, 02:44:05 AM »
I cannot get the link to work on the discussion of the Pachmann affair! A notice says it is no longer there. :'(

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« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2008, 09:18:38 AM »
Many thanks , I wonder where in Vienna? The Habsburg had 3 chapels around the Hofburg and sometimes it was a drawingroom or bedroom in the palace. I actually mean't where did the Gd Dukes marry in Florence...publicly in a state celebration in the city or a family affair in the Pitti Palace?

According to Alois Jahn's "Das Haus Habsburg" Ferdinand and Maria Anna married in the Hofburg (Leopoldinischer Trakt, Kammer-Kapelle St. Joseph).

Then I had a look at the places where the Granddukes married:

Ferdinand III. and his first wife Maria Luisa of Naples: Augustinerkirche, Wien (19.09.1790)
Ferdinand III. and his second wife Maria Anna of Saxony: Florence (06.05.1821)

Leopold II. and his first wife Maria Anna of Saxony: Florence (16.11.1817)
Leopold II. and his second wife Maria Antonia of Naples: Naples (07.06.1833)

Ferdinand IV. and his first wife Anna Maria of Saxony: Dresden (24.11.1856)
Ferdinand IV. and his second wife Alix of Bourbon-Parma: Schloss Frohsdorf, Wiener Neustadt (11.01.1868)
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« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2008, 04:44:50 PM »
I´m also interested in knowing more about Alice. As far as I know, she received a strict upbringing; her daughter Luisa stated in her Memories that Alice loved to wear beautiful jewels, including a necklace that had been used by queen Marie Antoinette, but it seems that Alice was, also, an almost fanatical catholic...I suppose she suffered a lot when her daughter Luisa eloped from Dresde, leaving husband and children, with the belgian teacher of the children...

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« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2008, 11:24:53 AM »
it ruined the family and lost her other daughters any hope of marriage.

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« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2008, 02:41:25 PM »
Truly?? Were the other daughters socially "punished" because the huge scandal created by Luisa??

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« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2008, 01:16:44 PM »
I think one other daughter other than Luisa made a good marriage. To be fair, the remaining daughters were not so beautiful asto attract suitors in that sense.  :(

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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2008, 06:03:30 PM »
duh? the Prince of Hohenlohe, hardly!

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« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2008, 07:07:39 PM »
Well,considering that they were in exile,that the scandal prevented the other daughters getting married,that the Prince von Hohenlohe-Bartenstein was rich and equal in technical terms she did make a catch...and just maybe it could be a love-match,but I don't know!

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« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2008, 01:56:04 AM »
Well,considering that they were in exile,that the scandal prevented the other daughters getting married,that the Prince von Hohenlohe-Bartenstein was rich and equal in technical terms she did make a catch...and just maybe it could be a love-match,but I don't know!

Archduchess Anna married in 1901, before the Luise scandal. All other sisters remained unmarried mostly becouse of Luise's reputation.

Recently I've read a book by Princess Radziwill and she states GD Alice was a very narrow-minded person who lived like a machine praying all day long and bearing  children...Of course many revelations of the famous authoress must be viewed critically though I guess in describing Alice and her family she is not far from true.

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« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2008, 07:41:34 AM »
Was it a love match?I mean between Archduchess Anna and Prince Johannes Friedrich von Hohenlohe-Bartenstein?Don't know much about them...