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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2005, 06:25:59 AM »
Must go there again ! Didn't saw it last time...

Hope there are the other sisters there too...Also wonder what Mademoiselle's stepmother looked like.

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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2006, 02:50:17 PM »
Does anyone have any information and pics of Gaston, Duke of Orleans, son of Henri IV of France they are willing to share. I would live to know more about him.

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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2006, 11:23:21 AM »
Gaston was the younger brother of Louis XIII.  He was given commands in the French army over the years, but that was not enough for him.  He wanted real power, so he spent his days intriguing against his brother and Cardinal Richelieu.  His plots never worked out.  He was kept under surveillance by spies; whenever one of his schemes seemed close to fruition, he was threatened with arrest.  Sometimes he fled, but he usually betrayed his accomplices to get out of trouble.  He was always forgiven for his schemes because he was the heir to the throne.  When he was thirty, the future Louis XIV was born.  No one could have been unhappier about the birth of this baby than Gaston, since the baby bumped him down in the succession, thus revoking his get out of jail free card.  After the deaths of Louis XIII and Richelieu, Gaston plotted against Louis XIV, Anne of Austria (the Regent) and Cardinal Mazarin, without success.  Gaston had proven himself to be weak, untrustworthy and vacillating, and it became increasingly difficult for him to find co-conspirators.  

Gaston was married twice.  His first wife was a great heiress, but died after giving birth to a daughter, La Grande Mademoiselle, who inherited her mother’s estates and fortune.  Gaston won his daughter’s heart by paying a lot of attention to her, spoiling her rotten, and so forth.  Gaston married a second time after fleeing from yet another failed conspiracy.  His second wife was a sister of the Duke of Lorraine, who had hosted him during his exile.  Gaston came to regret this marriage, since it was an unhappy one, and because their only son died young.

Gaston was La Grande Mademoiselle’s hero, and she was immensely proud of him.  During the Fronde, she and Gaston joined the Frondeurs in the belief that doing so would lead to real power for him and a marriage to Louis XIV for her.  Gaston betrayed her when the Fronde was over by disavowing her actions and blaming her for everything.  Gaston learned that his old tricks couldn’t get him out of trouble, and spent the rest of his life in exile on his estates.  Because of her wealth, La Grande Mademoiselle was only exiled to her estates for a few years.  During her exile, she discovered that her father had mismanaged her estates and had stolen a lot of money from her.  

Gaston was unhappy during his last years because of his exile and because his estates were a royal apanage which would revert to the crown on his death since he had no son to inherit them.  This would leave his wife and younger daughters at the mercy of Louis XIV, a fate which horrified Gaston, who was, in his own way, an affectionate father.  Gaston made peace with La Grande Mademoiselle and also made her promise to look after his wife and her half-siblings financially.  She kept her word.  She even took in and cared for one of Gaston’s illegitimate sons, who had been abandoned by their father shortly after his birth.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2006, 06:50:21 AM »
Thanks, Palatine!

Do you think he would have made a good ruler?

Does anyone know where the unusual name Gaston came from? I think he was the first person to hold the name in the French royal family. His grandson, was Gian Gastone the last Medici Grand Duke of Tuscany, but the name died with him.

Update: Gaston was a name often used by the mediaeval Comtes de Foix. So it's a "Navarre thing".
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2006, 08:27:31 AM »
According to behindthename.com:

Gaston "possibly means either "stranger" from Germanic or "of Gascony" from French. Gascony is a region of southwestern France."

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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2006, 03:32:15 PM »
Thank you Palatine, Gaston was a colorful personality to say the least, would there be any bios written about him in English or French.

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2006, 04:30:38 PM »
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Do you think he would have made a good ruler?

I don't think that Gaston was ruthless or intelligent enough to be a good ruler, and he certainly lacked the leadership qualities necessary to be an absolute monarch.  He wasn't very good about making up his mind, and he lacked the courage of his convictions.  If he'd come to the throne, I think that the monarchy would have become a lot weaker and the nobility would have become a lot more powerful:  Gaston would almost certainly have turned to his friends among the nobility for help, guidance and support, rejecting the services of Cardinal Mazarin.  Without Mazarin's help, Gaston wouldn't have been able to create the powerful centralized government that Louis XIV did.       

I haven't seen or read any biographies of Gaston, but he's discussed in biographies of La Grande Mademoiselle, Anne of Austria and Louis XIV.  LGM's memoirs also discuss him a great deal.  I think that Madame de Motteville's memoirs contain some good information about him.  
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2006, 04:23:14 AM »
am i the only one who believes that the centralized rule of louis xiv was bad for france? and, not much less important, for the french monarchy? he made the whole system depend on one man. when the able man (louis xiv) was replaced with a lazy monarch (louix xv) and a weak one (louis xvi), the whole country suffered because there was no-one else to turn to. therefor the bloody french revolution.

what i'm saying is: the english reforms happened because of bad kings. magna charta happened because of john lackland, the english revolution and the constitutional monarchy happened because of charles 1st and james 2nd... because of them, the english people found a way to get around the monarch and pretty much manage the ruling themselves (compare the importance of the parliament in england with the importance of the etates generales in france in simmilar periods), therefor reforming peacefully.

so, to reach the reason this post is actually on topic: maybe a ruler like gaston wouldn't have been so bad. in the long run.

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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2006, 05:06:17 PM »
I don't think it was Louis XIV's fault that his sucessors proved to be incompetent. While yes, it can be argued that the extreme centralization was bad for France in the long run, Louis had no way of knowing that and probably presumed that a centralized institution such as this would make a revolution or something like it essentially impossible. Louis also did what was best for himself--by making himself the center of everything, he controlled everything in France.

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« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2006, 01:32:39 AM »
i'm not saying louis deliberatly ruined france. no matter how bad he was i doubt any king ever wanted to ruin his own country. i am saying exactly what you said: in the long run, the rule of the great louis xiv was bad for france, while a tad weaker king might have been good... that's all i'm saying :)

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« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2006, 11:02:01 AM »
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i'm not saying louis deliberatly ruined france. no matter how bad he was i doubt any king ever wanted to ruin his own country. i am saying exactly what you said: in the long run, the rule of the great louis xiv was bad for france, while a tad weaker king might have been good... that's all i'm saying :)

Very good point Ilyala!

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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2007, 05:50:25 AM »
Does anyone know something more about Marie de Bourbon-Montpensier(1605-1627),first wife of Gaston d'Orleans,son of King Henry IV of France?There isn't much about her on the web...

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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2007, 01:58:50 PM »
I made a mistake in the subject-she lived not from 1625 but from 1605-1627...if anyone knows anything about her it would be great!

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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2007, 10:05:16 PM »
I found this: 608-27 Sovereign Duchess Marie de Bourbon of Montpensier, Châtellerault et de Saint-Fargeau and  Princesse Souveraine des Dombe, Countess de Mortain etc. (France)

Inherited the Duchy when her father, Henri de Bourbon, was killed. Her mother was Henriette Catherine de Joyeuse, duchesse de Joyeuse (1608-47) and Princesse de Joinville (1641-54). She married Gaston of France, who was Duc d'Orléans, Chartres, Valois, d'Alençon, Comte de Blois, de Monthéry et de Limours etc. Died giving birth to her only daughter, Anne-Marie, and lived (1605-27).
from Women In Power 1600-1640

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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2007, 10:52:33 AM »
The lady was the richest heiress in France at that time. Her only child  -  Anne-Marie de Bourbon, d'Orleans etc. was the ultimate legatee of her mother. As the eldest daughter of 'Monsieur' (the title by which the younger brother of the king was known at Court), she was known as 'Mademoiselle'. Anne-Marie d'Orleans nearly married the Holy Roman Emperor, the King of Portugal and  -  amazingly  -  her cousin the future Charles II of England. Louis XIV also offered her his own brother's hand in marriage in 1671. Anne- Marie, who suspected that Pilippe d'Orleans had murdered his first wife, refused the honour. She fell in love with the Comte de Lauzun and, it iis believed, secretly married him.