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Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« on: October 20, 2005, 05:18:25 PM »
Hello everyone.  :)

This is a topic to dicuss a truly amazing French woman, Anne-Marie d'Orleans, Duchesse de Montpensier, 'La Grand Mademoiselle' and her four half sisters.

La Grand Mademoiselle was the daughter of Gaston d'Orleans, son of Henri IV and brother to Queen Henrietta Maria of England. She was born on May 29 1627, her mother being Marie de Bourbon, heiress of the duchy of Montpensier.

She was heiress to great land and property, and from his earliest days was mooted as a possible bride for her first cousin Louis XIV, 11 years her junior. These plans never materialised, though.

While he was in exile, Charles II of England courted her, with the encouragment of his mother, Queen Henrietta Maria. But Anne-Marie was not keen on the idea since Charles was a penniless exile at the time!

I know she married very late in life, but I can't find much clear info on this or her married life. I'd appreciate any help!  :)
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2005, 05:19:58 PM »
After the death of Marie de Bourbon, Gaston d'Orleans married again, this time to Marguerite of Lorraine.

She gave him 4 daughters and 1 son:

   * Marguerite Louise (July 28, 1645, Paris – September 17, 1721 Paris), married in Florence on June 20, 1661 Cosimo III de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (separated 1675)
   * Elizabeth (December 26, 1646, Paris – March 17, 1696, Versailles), duchesse d'Alençon, married at St. Germain-en-Laye on May 15, 1667 Louis Joseph, Duke of Guise
   * Françoise Madeleine (October 13, 1648, St. Germain-en-Laye – January 14, 1664, Torino), married at The Louvre March 4, 1663 Charles Emmanuel II of Savoy
   * Marie Anne (November 9, 1652, Paris – August 17, 1695, Blois), Mademoiselle de Chartres
   * Jean Gaston (August 17, 1650, Paris – August 10, 1652, Paris), Duc de Valois

Any info appreciated!  :D
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2005, 01:35:04 AM »
All four surviving girls are in this picture:



La Grande Mlle. on the right (as Diana) and the three younger ones at the back (as the three Graces)
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2005, 04:04:24 AM »
She married secretly, in 1681 or 1682, with a man named Lauzen. They separated a few years later but I don't have many informations about that.


Mademoiselle as Minerve with her father in the painting :

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/4NZXAM/84-001222.jpg

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/4A67MF/79-001451.jpg

http://www.photo.rmn.fr/LowRes2/TR1/NFDEI4/86-001873.jpg

She loved very much her father  ;D
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2005, 09:15:20 AM »
She married Antoine Nompar de Caumont (1633-1723) in 1670 and they were separated in 1685. He was a drunkard and she was constantly unfaithful. They were childless.

I'll write more later!

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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2005, 09:53:28 AM »
Thanks one and all!  :D Vive La Grand Mademoiselle!  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2005, 10:04:00 AM »
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Thanks one and all!  :D Vive La Grand Mademoiselle!  ;D


until 1693 at least!

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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2005, 10:05:50 AM »
Yes indeed!  ;D

I don't think she was too impressed with her cousin Charles II, but like most of the French court, was very impressed with his sister the Princess of Orange when she visited. I posted Anne-Marie's description of Mary on another thread, and I'll dig it out soon . . .
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2005, 02:56:20 PM »
Is it certain she married Lauzun?  I thought she asked the king's permission and he actually granted it, but Lauzun delayed the marriage, the king changed his mind, and the whole thing fell through.  Louis XIV later threatened Lauzun with the Bastille when he was more than usually cheeky and used this to put pressure on Mademoiselle and force her to grant his bastard du Maine inheritance of her estates.  Louis XIV could be very dirty when he wanted.  I don't think he ever forgave Mlle for the prominent part she took in the Fronde, either.

Lauzun married St Simon's sister-in-law when she was 15 and he was 63.  I think the Grand Mlle was dead by then.  He was a very entertaining source of stories for St Simon about personalities at the court whom St Simon would not have known well.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2005, 01:07:02 AM »
Here a link when you can find the secretly union between them :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne%2C_Duchess_of_Montpensier


And definitions of my dictionary (Le Petit Larousse) :

Anne Marie Louise d'Orléans (Paris 1627- id 1693) Petite fille d'Henry IV, elle prit part aux troubles de la Fronde et, lors de la bataille du faubourg Saint-Antoine, fit tirer le canon de la Bastille sur les troupes royales pour protéger les troupes de Condé (1652). Elle épousa secrètement Lauzun (v. 1682)

Lauzun (Antonin Nompar de Caumont La force, Duc de) : (Lauzun 1633-Paris 1723) Gentilhomme Français, courtisan de Louis XIV , disgracié puis emprisonné de 1671 à 1680, il épousa la duchesse de Montpensier, cousine germaine du roi, en dépit de l'interdiction royale.
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2005, 03:22:55 AM »
The secret marriage of la Gde Mlle set quite a fashion. After the death of his first wife in 1683, the king married Mme de Maintenon secretly. Later his son the Dauphin would do the same thing  - he married Marie-Jolie de Choin. They were "secret" marriages, but everyone was meant to know!
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2005, 05:29:59 AM »


The Orleans women were quite a new vision of what women should be. We have already seen Anne Marie's way of life. Her sisters did not behave in a more feeble way.

The older of Gaston's second marriage, Marguerite Louise, had been in love with Louis XIV. She was married in 1661, however, to Grand Duke Cosme III of Florence. After giving him three children, she abandoned them and returned to Paris, where she would live a life of parties, alcohol and lovers. Of her three children I think she would only see once, after 1675, her younger son, Giovanni Gastone.

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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2005, 06:10:30 AM »
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They were "secret" marriages, but everyone was meant to know!


Thanks for all the info guys. Bell, I think there is a phrase in French to describe this kind of thing - a 'secret de polissionel' or something, I've likely spelled it atrociously.
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2005, 09:08:06 AM »
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Thanks for all the info guys. Bell, I think there is a phrase in French to describe this kind of thing - a 'secret de polissionel' or something, I've likely spelled it atrociously.


The second marriage of Gaston d'Orléans (the father of these girls) was also a kind of open secret. He eloped with Marguerite of Lorraine in 1632 and the marriage was not recognised by Louis XIII until a deathbed reconciliation in 1643. Luckily all the children were born afterwards.

Maybe "secret de polisson" which would be a "naughty boy's secret"!
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Re: Gaston, Duke of Orleans (1608-60), and his family
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2005, 09:14:44 AM »
It is "secret de polichinelle"   ;)
Someone have informations about la "Duchesse d'Alençon" ?