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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2006, 04:32:09 AM »
Your wish is my command..... :D

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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2006, 04:37:47 AM »
LOL thanx ;D

now, if i may anticipate prince, and say 'back to margaret' :P
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2006, 05:54:08 AM »
You can read my mind, ilyala.  ::) But if I could get a word in first - I think Darnley was actually called girlish at the time. Didn't an English courtier comment on his beardless, womanish looks?
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2006, 09:39:28 AM »
maybe his youthful and sensitive look reminded mary of francis and that's why she fell in love with him ???
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« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2006, 06:55:35 PM »
Have any of you read Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond Chronicles?  Margaret Douglas is a key character ... quite the villainess, unfortunately.  The books are wonderful, though I wouldn't call them historical novels so much as costume dramas a la Dumas.   Well worth reading unless you're a stickler for historical accuracy, in which case you won't care for the portrait of Margaret at all.  She may have been flirtatious before her marriage, but I don't believe there is any evidence that she took lovers afterward.  And that's as much as I will say ....
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2006, 09:40:43 AM »
I asked about them on the Stuart books thread. Don't know if I'd be interested in inaccuracy though.  :P
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #66 on: March 10, 2006, 12:53:35 AM »
Where is at in writing that Margaret renouced her succession rights on her marriage to James IV?  in "the sisters of henry VIII" by Maria Perry (GReat book btw) the book states several times that Henry VII, VIII, and James the IV regarding margaret as the rightful heir if Henry VIII had no children.   In the year of Henry's VIII's successin , on June 29th, when James IV continued the Treaty of perpetual Peace with Henry VIII, it acknowledged Margaret as the putative successor as long has henry had no children.

Henry VIII himself once said when in 1511 james would not give a written promise NOT to invade Enlgand (which pretty much doomed the Treaty of Perpetual Peace) "If only my brother in law would have signed such a documen, he (henry) would have been willing to create james Iv, Duke of York and governor of England, for the heirs of England, must come either of him or of me"

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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #67 on: March 10, 2006, 06:17:21 AM »
That's interesting!  :o I'm sure I read the renounciation thing somewhere, but I can't remember where.  :-/ However, if it even was true, from what you say it's obvious that the kings involved - James and the two Henrys - didn't take it very seriously!
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2006, 03:21:03 AM »
were these things ever taken seriously? that was just for show... just look at louis xiv's marriage... she gave up her rights - yeah right!
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2006, 06:19:36 AM »
You're probably right - they were pure formality, like the Electress Sophia giving up her rights to the non-existent Palatinate when she married the Duke of Brunswick.  ::)
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Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2007, 09:45:17 PM »
Ok i have several questions about Lady margaret Douglas.

1.)  I know that Margaret was mainly brought up at her Uncle King Henry's court but did Margo spend any time at all with either her mother Queen margaret after being deposited in england by her father the Earl of Angus?  or her brother King James V?  Did she in fact ever meet King James V?

2.) Why didn't margaret inherit any of Angus's properties or the Title Countess of Angus?

3.) Did the Countess of Lennox ever meet her Niece, Queen mary of scots in person?
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Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2007, 04:25:59 PM »
I think the Angus lands were confiscated by the Scots as her father had 'defected' to Henry VIII's side. She did style herself 'Countess of Lennox and Angus' for a time however. I don't think she ever met Mary, Queen of Scots or James V.
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Re: Margaret, Countess of Lennox,
« Reply #72 on: June 13, 2007, 05:07:42 PM »
It's a very good question why MD never became Countess of Angus - she was after all the Earl's only daughter. I think that Scottish succession was still abit vague on when daughters could inherit. After all, the issue had only really been settled in England by the Wars of the Roses. After 1603 I'm sure that in Scotland the only daughter would have succeeded automatically, but before that I suspect it happened only if there wasn't a close relative who was a better bet.

In this case the Earldom and the lands went to Archibald's nephew (who died a year later, leaving a two year old son, the eighth earl). I'm sure everyone went along with this, as noone wanted to see the Earl of Lennox made more powerful, especially not Archibald, who had been an enemy of the Lennoxes, and as a Douglas would have hated to see a Stewart get the family lands.

It seems unfair on his daughter, but they were certainly far from being close - I don't know if they met at all after  the early 1520s! What a family..... I agree with PL that Margaret never met James V or Mary Queen of Scots either. She journeyed north in the 1570s and got pretty close to where Mary was staying at the time, which was enough to earn her yet another spell in the Tower of London!
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #73 on: July 06, 2007, 03:21:01 AM »
I only know three children of Margaret: Henry (b/d 1544), Henry 1545-1567 and Charles 1556-1576. Did she had more children?
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Re: Lady Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox
« Reply #74 on: July 06, 2007, 10:36:43 AM »
She had two more sons and four daughters. All of them died young and their names are unknown.
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