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Re: Grand Duke Wilhelm Ernst of Saxe-Weimar and his family
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2008, 03:54:42 AM »
Wilhelm Ernst von Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach (10. Juni 1876 in Weimar; † 24. April 1923 in Heinrichau, Schlesien) was from grandduke of Sachsen Weimar Eisenach from january 1901 until the Novemberrevolution in 1918. He married 30 April 1903  Caroline Princess Reuß Greiz (1884-1905). Secondly he married 21 Januar 1910 in Meiningen Feodora (1890-1972), Princess von Sachsen-Meiningen.

Basically Norbert is right: grandduchess Sophie son Wilhelm Ernst was heir to the Dutch throne though as Lucien already stated there was something terribly wrong with tihis guy. His first wife committed suicide after only 2 years of marriage.

I have a book about the possible Dutch heirs in the period that Juliana was still not born. I will have to look it up but it stated clearly that he was never a serious candidate for the Dutch throne because of his nasty character. He was elso an extreme conservatist.

Queen Wilhelmina herself  preferred her cousin prince Heinrich XXXlll Reuss, the younger son of Marie Alexandrine (the eldest daughter of grandduchess Sophie of Sachsen Weimar Eisenach who was married to  prince Heinrich Vll Reuss. The firstborn son, prince Heinrich XXXll Reuss was neither considered seriously as a candidate for the Dutch throne as he was supposedly ugly and not very intelligent. Prince Heinrich xxxlll Reuss was married with princess Margaret of Prussia. They visited queen Wilhelmina several times on her invitation (something peculiar as queen Wilhelmina was surely not known for her interest in relatives except for grandduchess Sophie and princess Marie zu Wied. Princess Marie was very popular with the Dutch population and was a serious candidate for the Duthc throne herself. Here a picture of Wilhelm Ernst and his first wife Caroline Reuss Greiz.



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Re: Grand Duke Wilhelm Ernst of Saxe-Weimar and his family
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2008, 04:07:54 AM »
Sadly I have no details of the GD's lifestyle except that he was a supposed "sadist" (whatever that means) and his first wife was a possible suicide. I know his mother was popular in Netherlands and was something of a blue-stocking in Weimar. She is supposed to have influenced her father to grant a liberal constitution in 1848. So what happened to her son to turn the the public against him...more important to force Willem III to find another bride to deprieve him of the succession?

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2008, 06:03:47 AM »
Grandduke Wilhelm Ernst was the grandson of grandduchess Sophie. Her (only) son was Karl August Wilhelm Nicolaus Alexander Michael Bernhard Heinrich Frederick Stefan, Hereditary Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (31 July 1844 - 20 November 1894).

Because his mother was a daughter of King William II of the Netherlands and his older uncles, except King William III, died childless, Karl August was next in line in the succession to the throne of the Netherlands. He was preceded (after the death of crown prince Willem and Alexander) only by the young Queen Wilhelmina. This was the reason for him learning to write and speak fluent Dutch, due to the possibility of Karl August becoming king if Wilhelmina died childless.

Karl August died at Cap Martin, France, six years before his father; because of this, his eldest son Wilhelm Ernst succeded his grandfather as Grand Duke. In Friedrichshafen on 26 August 1873 Karl August married with Pauline of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. They were distant cousins, as she was the granddaughter of Bernhard, younger brother of the Grand Duke Karl Frederick of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach, the grandfather of Karl August.

Karl August and Pauline had two sons:

Wilhelm Ernst Karl Alexander Friedrich Heinrich Bernhard Albert Georg Hermann, Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (b. Weimar, 10 June 1876 - d. Heinrichau, 24 April 1923).
Bernhard Karl Alexander Hermann Heinrich Wilhelm Oscar Friedrich Franz Peter (b. Weimar, 18 April 1878 - d. Weimar, 1 October 1900).

I checked my books and found the follwing about the Sachsen Weimars.

Wilhelm Ernst was heir apparant tot the Dutch throne but in the Netherlands it was assumed that he would not give up his throne as grandduke of Sachsen Weimar Eisenach menaing he could never become king of the Netherlands (the Dutch constitution forbids the king or queen to be bearer of another crown thad the Dutch one).

Wilhelm Ernst was described by count Dumonceau (from King William lll 'court in The Hague) as "a strange personage, not very favorable in his looks , little and rather fat. When he speaks it is in staccato, emphasizing every word  in a strange way. He seems to be not very intelligent but at the same time could make impression with his knowledge".  Countess van de Poll (lady in waiting of queen Emma) states the following "the heriditary grandduke is a little, ugly and noisy man. He made me feel ucomfortale during dinner. He yelled loudly at me from across the dinner table that he had heard that I (the countess) could fluently speak German which he found odd".

His brother, prince Bernard was described as not very intelligent and sickly and therefore by no means suitable as a king to be. His nickname at the Dutch court was "the Sachsen Weimar monster".

The event of which you speak about grandduchess Sophie is that she warned her father King William ll about the riots having found place all over Germany in 1848 including against  her own court in Weimar, which had scared her very much.  In the Netherlands there were hardly any riots at at that time but when a few citizen made their complaints to the King he was feared so much that he immidiately agreed for a new and more liberal constitution. 

King William lll and his sister dsliked each other and Queen Sophie of the Netherlands nearly hated the grandduchess and found her unreliable and disgusting. The grandduchess herself was a cultivated woman and had a keen interest in the development of Sachsen Weimar. She was also very generous adn helped her country in every way she could. She inherited the legacy of Goethe and Schiller and took the greates care of this legacy. She had built an own institute to house this legacy and shared it with the rest of the world. But she also could become extremely furios about simple things. The grandduchess shared these "attacks of anger and fury" with her brother King William lll who had the same character and owned his nicname "King gorilla" to his fury.  When things were not going the way he wanted he could easily shout out that the "guilty ones" should be hanged immdiately or something like that. Even queen Emma was afraid of his fury and that is why she refused to become regent at the first ilness (the king was mentally declining and not capable of reigning) of her husband. She feared him becoming furious by the time he would have a clear mind and would recognizedwhat his wife had done.

Queen Sophie of the Netherlands already described in 1876 (one year before she died) that the Dutch crownwould go to this terrible woman in Weimar. At that point her two remaining sons still lived. King William married Emma allthough his sons could not agree with this marriage.
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Norbert

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2008, 11:29:55 AM »
Thank you berno for this information . It would be interesting to know of any incidents that would support the public hostility to the GD. Was it just legend that he was a sadist and drove his wife to suicide ?

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2008, 01:09:59 PM »


Karoline was married to Wilhelm Ernst of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. I have read two paragraphs at Wikipedia which make me feel a deep interest in this woman:

Despite all his work for Weimar during his government, Wilhelm Ernst was a hated ruler. This was for his private life, where he was known to be a sadist; the day of his abdication, he was called the "most unpopular prince in all Germany".

and...

In Bückeburg on 30 April 1903 Wilhelm Ernst married firstly with Karoline Reuss of Greiz. This marriage was childless and ended in 1905 with the death of Karoline under mysterious circumstances.

What happened to Karoline...?
Thanks in advance for your help.


Adagietto

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2008, 01:34:21 PM »
I had heard stories that she had committed suicide because W.E. was so cruel to her, but it's probably just empty gossip. Her story interests me too and I have been unable to find out anything about, or indeed about why W.E. was so hated, so may I join you in your request. She looks so lovely and fragile in this photograph:



Beauty and the Beast:


A commemorative card issued after she died, after not even reaching her 21st birthday:


Also, if I may repeat a previous request, if anyone has any sample of the handwriting of Wilhelm Ernst (even just a signature), I should be most grateful if they could post a scan of it.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2008, 01:42:58 PM »
Thank you, Adaggieto, you´re as kind as always!Hope anyone could provide us more information about Karoline...
I´ve read that W.E. married a second time...Was he "cruel" to her second wife, Feodora?

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2008, 03:44:12 PM »


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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2008, 05:53:41 PM »
Lovely pictures, thank you. It never occurred to me that she was Hermine's sister, all these Reusses are so very muddling! Caroline seems to have been the prettiest of the sisters.

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2008, 07:33:55 PM »
I would imagine that Emma is one sister and Marie Agnes is the other.

Here is what Marlene Eilers has written of Karoline:

"Grand Duchess Karoline of Saxe-Weimar has left the grand duchy for Switzerland...She has left the court for Switzerland, "deeply angered." But her resentment is not directed toward her husband, and they have not separated. The Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach is hidebound and conservative, where the dignitaries are "more pretentious, narrow-minded, and bigoted." Grand Duchess Karoline found conditions at her new home to be intolerable."..Karoline found her mother-in-law to be "too unfriendly." Karoline, described as sensible, "confided her woes to her husband, and has gone to Switzerland with his sanction." Karoline hopes that the Grand Duke will take matters into his own hand, and reorganize the court, and remove the dignitaries "who had fancied that they could bend the young princess to their narrow notions of etiquette propriety."
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2008, 11:37:34 AM »
Not being morbid, does anybody know how did she commit suicide ?

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2008, 12:35:52 PM »
It's simply gossip I as far as I know, may well be wholly untrue.



According to the brief biographical note, she died after quite a long illness, and she was a gentle, good-natured person who didn't have an easy time with her despotic husband. The tower is rather fine; also here:
http://www.im-weimarer-land.de/de/sehenswertes/burgen_schloesser_tuerme/carolinenturm_blankenhain.htm
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2008, 07:36:54 PM »
Her wedding was attended by both the Kaiser and Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands. She was supported by her uncle, George of Schaumburg-Lippe and her cousin Henry Reuss.

According to the papers, she died of an inflammation of the lungs following upon influenza.
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2008, 03:48:32 AM »
Just a terminological query. Is it corrrect to refer to reigning grand ducal families as being 'royal' families?

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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2008, 04:41:50 AM »
The heads of such families are styled ''Royal Highness"...