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« on: October 30, 2005, 11:32:40 AM »
I think they are one of the most fasinating of princesses. Only the youngest one Princess Clementine, who married a Bonaparte, did not wrote any memoirs.  
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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2005, 11:23:03 PM »
Clementine always interested me. She waited so long to marry the man she loved, Prince Victor Napoleon (head of the house of Bonaparte) in defiance of her father. It couldn't have been easy having to be at the beck & call of her father. She had only been conceived when her elder (and only) brother died and her parents were forced to try for another male child.
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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2005, 06:06:29 AM »
Stephanie married Crown Prince Rudolf of Austria, didn't she? Not a very happy union! But then she remarried at 36 to a man she loved, Elemer, Prince Lonyan. These ladies had spirit!  :)
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2005, 09:48:29 AM »
Yet the most dramatic was the eldest Princess Louise. She married Prince Philip of Coburg (a close friend of Crown Prince Rudolf and Marie, Duchess of Coburg).
The marriage was unhappy and soon drift apart. She fell in love with a young man and ran away with him. After being put into a mad house. She was disowned by her husband's family and her own family. However she got to live with the man of her choice. All this in the name of love...
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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2005, 05:49:16 PM »



I know there's a bio on her (in French I believe) and also some in joint bios (also in French).

Stephanie wrote her memoirs 'I Was to Be Empress' but I don't know Louise's.

Theo Aronson's bio The Coburgs of Belgium doesn't talk about Clementine too much but has a good deal on Stephanie and Louise.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2005, 06:29:23 PM »
Thanks for all this GDella, your efforts do not go unnoticed.  :)
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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2006, 11:08:29 AM »
Stephanie was very shabbily treated by Rudolf and equally so by his family after his death.Her marriage to Count Lonyay brought her great happiness but she lost her royal status as her (always mean) father deprived her of her birthright in a typical act of spite.One of the very first acts of the Emperor Karl after his accession was to restore the HRH to Stephanie and elevate her husband to a Prince.The idyllic life in Hungary was only shattered by WW2. In the last year of their lives due to the Soviet advance the couple were obliged to flee the vast Lonyay estates and take refuge in a monastery.Here in close succession they died. Stephanie seems to have taken Rudolf's last letter with her and it passed into the monasteries archives.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2006, 07:20:55 PM »
It was a blessing that all three sisters (Louise, Stephanie & Clementine) found a bit of personal happiness before their deaths. Leopold II was certainly guilty of ruining his daughter's happiness.  >:(
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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2006, 03:33:40 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2006, 02:23:08 PM »
Are there any photos of Stephanie and Count Lonyay ?
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2006, 11:55:14 PM »
Did Stephanie have children with her second husband?
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2006, 07:22:12 AM »
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Did Stephanie have children with her second husband?


She did not. Her first husband Kronprinz Rudolf infected her with gonorrea in the course of their marriage which left her sterile. Archduchess Elisabeth Marie remained her only child.
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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2006, 10:00:59 AM »
As a teenager Princess Clémentine fell madly in love with her first cousin Baudouin of Flanders and hoped one day to marry him but he did not return her feelings. His untimely death devastated her and she remained faithful to his memory during years. In her twenties, she seems to have enjoyed some kind of love/friendship relationship with an attendant at court, Baron Auguste Goffinet, whom she refers to as "Mimi" in her letters to her beloved sister and confidente Stéphanie. Later she met Prince Victor Napoléon, wished to marry him and he her but King Léopold II refused to give his consent as he wanted to keep good relationships with the neighbouring French republic (he opposed the projected matchs between his niece Henriette of Flanders and Philippe, duke of Orléans and between Henriette's brother Albert - later King Albert I - and Philippe's sister Isabelle on the same ground). Léopold apparently wished his daughter to marry Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria but she flatly refused, finding him ugly and a bore. She had to wait for her father to die before she could marry Prince Napoléon (I believe she was 38 at the time).
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2006, 10:16:20 AM »
Louise & Stéphanie - the sisters were very close and saw much of each other in Vienna despite Queen Marie Henriette's repeated efforts to separate them. Between themselves they use the nicknames "Ulyse" and "Stiena") :



Stéphanie was also devoted to Clémentine (Louise much less so, she seems to have been somewhat jealous of her youngest sister who was their father's acknowledged favourite) and Clémentine looked up to Stéphanie almost as a mother. Clémentine's life in Brussels was rather lonely and her relationship with her cold and distant mother stormy to say the least. Stéphanie apparently showered on her sister the love and affection she craved for.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2006, 10:39:04 PM »
Did Stephanie keep her daughter with her after her marriage to Lonyay or did she have to leave her in Vienna?

Did they (Stephanie and her daughter) have much to do with the Austrian court after Rudolf's death?  
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