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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2006, 12:13:19 AM »
Rudolf actually went on a tour around all the houses with suitable brides.  He stopped at Beligum and pretty much felt in love w/ Stephanie immediately.  He wrote to her mother how much he loved her.  

Stephanie on the other hand was still quite young and basically was pushed to the marriage by her father.  

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2006, 06:14:29 AM »
King Léopold wished his daughters to make great matches to enhance the prestige of his house. Louise's marriage to Philip of Saxe-Coburg came rather as a disappointment to him and all his hopes afterwards centred on Stéphanie. He is said to have drafted a list of eligible princes to marry his daughter when Stéphanie was but a mere baby. Top of the list as the son of the catholic Austrian Emperor was Rudolf.

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2006, 03:25:49 PM »
Sissi never agreed to that mariage, she thought that the Hapsburg had sufficient with Charlotte of Belgium for them to go fetch another Coburg! Besides she was the first to raise the question as if the future bride had her period already, and that the way the Austrian Court found out that Stephanie did not have her period and she was 15, the belgian Court argued that it was due toTyphoid which she catch when she was a child.

  Sissi, always thought of her daughter in law as a bad omen, she use to compare her paleness to the cerf Rudolf had killed a couple of years ago at Godollo!

   After the mariage she always complained about her lack of elegance and taste, she used to hate her "yellow hair" as she used to call it!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2006, 09:04:50 PM »
Stephanie and Rudolf's marriage was in fact postponed due to the fact that Stephanie hasn't had her period yet.  

True, Sisi never showed much ethusiasm towards stephanie.  Sisi always complained about her own mother in law but she wasn't a good one either :-/.

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2006, 09:06:28 AM »
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Stephanie and Rudolf's marriage was in fact postponed due to the fact that Stephanie hasn't had her period yet.  

True, Sisi never showed much ethusiasm towards stephanie.  Sisi always complained about her own mother in law but she wasn't a good one either :-/.



You are right crazy-wing! She repeated the same mistake with her daughter in law, dhe never tried to help her fit in, and she definately had some responsability in the fact that Eudolf felt very lonely, maybe the drama could have been avoid if she would have pay more attention to him, because I read that Stephanie had tried to talk to both parents about Rudolf sinister ideas but none of them really made an intent to listen to her.

 Stephanie must have felt terribly lonely at a Court were she was disliked by her mother in law, unloved by her husband and regarded as an ugli duckin by most of the Court and people.

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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2006, 09:10:19 AM »
Besides everybody was disappointed when she gave birth to Erzi, since the doctors said that most probably she would not have other children!!!

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #51 on: February 19, 2006, 04:40:29 AM »
In a biography on Leopold II of the Belgians that I have, I've read that his personality derived from the treatment he got from his parents; when he was born, in 1835, his parents had just lost their first baby, Leopold "Babochon", who died of convulsions. He had been Leopold I's favourite child, and he loved the baby so much that he never again would bestowe so much affection on any other children he might have. When Leopold II was born, he wasn't expected to live, and his particularly ugly features (especially his long, characteristic nose) made him particilarly unappealing to his parents.

Leopold II was definately closer to his mother, but he still lacked the family affection most children need even at an early age. This fact haunted him all his life, which is why he wasn't particularly paternal himself toward his children, except towards the end of his life when he fathered two sons by a "Madame Caroline Delacroix", a prostitute -according to Wikipedia-.

His daughters were all very different from one another. Louise turned out to be frivolous; she had urged her sister Stéphanie to marry the Crown Prince of Austria, but after the marriage she got quite close to Rudolf, which explains why she and Stéphanie didn't get along too well after Stéphanie's wedding. However, both couples were quite close since Rudolf and Louise's husband were very good friends (it was Philipp of Saxe-Coburg who found Rudolf's dead body in Mayerling).

Stéphanie was overwhelmed by her marriage to Rudolf, but it remained an unhappy match during the short time the couple lasted together. She wasn't liked at the Viennese court; Empress Elisabeth foudn her plain and boring -it is well known Stéphanie was-seemingly at least- a very dull person. Emperor Franz Josef was too busy with political matters, though he did appreciate his daughter-in-law (and his granddaughter Elisabeth remained his favourite grandchild). She was estranged from her father after her marriage to Elemér Lonyay (he was created Prince in 1917), even though she tried to carry out a reconciliation at her mother's deathbed in 1902 (he refused to enter the room, and Belgian societ judged his reaction too harsh and unmerited, especially at such a time).

Clémentine was by all accounts Leopold II's favourite daughter, though she wasn't allowed to marry her love of her life, Prince Napoléon, until after her father's death. She was the only one who married the man she wanted, except from Stéphanie and her marriage to Lonyay.

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #52 on: February 19, 2006, 04:47:06 AM »
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King Léopold wished his daughters to make great matches to enhance the prestige of his house. Louise's marriage to Philip of Saxe-Coburg came rather as a disappointment to him and all his hopes afterwards centred on Stéphanie. He is said to have drafted a list of eligible princes to marry his daughter when Stéphanie was but a mere baby. Top of the list as the son of the catholic Austrian Emperor was Rudolf.



I don't think Leopold disapproved of Louise's marriage (if he had, I think, he wouldn't have permitted her to marry Philipp, as it happened later with Clémentine and the Bonaparte prince); Philipp came from the same line as Leopold's family, and was VERY rich, although not particularly politically important -but unquestionably well-connected, since his brother was later Tsar of Bulgaria and was the nephew of Ferdinand II of Portugal.

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #53 on: February 21, 2006, 09:08:52 PM »
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You are right crazy-wing! She repeated the same mistake with her daughter in law, dhe never tried to help her fit in, and she definately had some responsability in the fact that Eudolf felt very lonely, maybe the drama could have been avoid if she would have pay more attention to him, because I read that Stephanie had tried to talk to both parents about Rudolf sinister ideas but none of them really made an intent to listen to her.

Yes, Stephanie noticed how depressed and disturbed her husband was and suggested to FJ to send Rudolf abroad to lift his spirits up.  FJ ignored what Stephanie said and believe his son was fine.  Unfortunately, Rudolf was far from being fine.

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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2006, 09:59:19 AM »
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his parents had just lost their first baby, Leopold "Babochon", who died of convulsions.


Babochon's name was Louis-Philippe (after his royal grandfather), not Léopold.

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« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2006, 10:07:17 AM »
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I don't think Leopold disapproved of Louise's marriage (if he had, I think, he wouldn't have permitted her to marry Philipp, as it happened later with Clémentine and the Bonaparte prince); Philipp came from the same line as Leopold's family, and was VERY rich, although not particularly politically important -but unquestionably well-connected, since his brother was later Tsar of Bulgaria and was the nephew of Ferdinand II of Portugal.


I did not mean that King Léopold opposed the projected match between Louise & Philipp Coburg only that he was rather disappointed she was not marrying a crowned head. He obviously wanted glorious matches for his daughters, trying to marry Stéphanie first to King Alfonso XII of Spain then to Kronprinz Rudolf of Austria and Clémentine to Kronprinz Rupprecht of Bavaria.
Of course Philipp was family (first cousin) but that did not mattered much for Léopold. As for Philipp's brother Ferdinand, he was a mere teenager at the time and there was no talk of his wearing the crown of Bulgaria yet. Ferdinand was fond of Louise and seems to have been her only friend in the family when she arrived in Vienna. Later in life, he is said to have offered her both his heart and his crown !

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2006, 11:09:22 AM »
Has anyone got a photo of Louise's lover Geza Mattatich(???)  :-?




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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2006, 09:59:56 PM »
Mais oui!  :)

Clementine is my favorite of the daughters--I love her romance with Victor Napoleon. *sigh*

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2006, 10:01:51 PM »
There quite a few photos of Geza in the book published in Belgium about Princess Louise.  ;)

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Re: The Daughters of Leopld II of Belgium
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2006, 08:14:17 AM »
You're very welcome.  :) I think this one is from the same sitting:

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