Help with Photo ID and/or Caption

[Nicolay]

Interesting!
Come to think of it....
this CoA is very unusual,

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8CgdlVIS6eA/RhlVgFKjSAI/AAAAAAAAAA8/c1Oi_cLxEzU/s320/grb_martinovica.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8CgdlVIS6eA/Rv0OLUIlxZI/AAAAAAAAAF8/19L4AGMCajE/s400/Martinovic.JPG


"IF" it supposed to be a traditional costume-decoration,
the only similar one I could find was in Turkey !

Maybe somebody could help and clarify this!?

[Nicolay]

That's the only one I could find!
"Girls Only!"
http://img.fotocommunity.com/Szene/Historisch-verkleidet/Tuerkische-Tracht-a18597990.jpg

[Marc]

National costume of Montenegro doesn't have anything to do with Turkish one...just like the coat of arms...if there are some similarities it's just maybe a coincidence.In Montenegro,where Martinovic family are from,during centuries,people were always in anti-Turkish mood because of their constant invasion and would never do or accept anything that comes from Turkey,even the style...One interesting fact is also that Turkey never concord whole Montenegro due to difficult terrain to which only Montenegrins were used to and they are even today very proud of that fact!

[Marc]

National costume of Montenegro doesn't have anything to do with Turkish one...just like the coat of arms...if there are some similarities it's just maybe a coincidence.In Montenegro,where Martinovic family are from,during centuries,people were always in anti-Turkish mood because of their constant invasion and would never do or accept anything that comes from Turkey,even the style...One interesting fact is also that Turkey never concord whole Montenegro(unlike other Balkan countries) due to difficult terrain to which only Montenegrins were used to and they are even today very proud of that fact!

[Nicolay]

Thank you, Marc!
Since I work in the industry, I can tell you that they aren't close!

Unless you have a better link!?
http://www.discover-montenegro.com/Culture%20Clothes.htm

[Nicolay]

btw...I have read the history and much more,
so I am very well aware of the struggle!

Among other things .......... Marc!

But...Thank you!

[Nicolay]

And Yes not all helped/protect against the invader!

Since you are interested in the history!
!!!

[Nicolay]

Interesting, that it is a rare costume,

but yet another similar costume I am only able to find at the "Gujjar" tribe

http://javaidrahi.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/gujjar-girl-in-traditional-costumes.jpg?w=450&h=778

they "assume" similar origin for this tribe!

It has to be a very specific community!

[Nicolay]

The Province of Montenegro (Montenegrin: Sandžak Crne Gore) was a province (sanjak) of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkan Peninsula only roughly corresponding to today's Montenegro. It was created from the area of the former Principality of Zeta in the Province of Scutari (Shkodër/Shkodra/İşkodra).
[edit] History

The Province of Montenegro was created in 1514, under the order of Sultan Beyazid II, from the remains of the Principality of Zeta that belonged to the Scutari Province. The first known governor of the province was Skenderbeg Crnojević, son of Ivan Crnojević, who governed from 1514 - 1528.

The province disappeard when the Montenegrins expelled the Ottomans and their rule from Montenegro. The Montenegrins used the Great Turkish War of 1683-1699 (Also known as War of the Holy League) to expel Ottomans.

[Marc]

whole Montenegro

As I said-WHOLE Montenegro-meaning the Montenegro with it's borders from the second part of 19th century as an already independent and formed state under the rule of Prince Danilo I under which it became a Hereditary Principality,not just a semi-independent Bishopy as it was before him...of course,during history,there was a Turkish rule in some parts of today's state,but they could not last...and in Montenegro you could not see any Turkish customs or influence left apart from some fortresses unlike in Serbian south part where Turkish influence in style and wardrobe was very strong,unlike in it's north part where the influence was Austro-Hungarian...

But,there is an independent thread about Montenegro and it's family,so let's get back to the topic...about Obrenovic family! :-)

[Nicolay]

I apologize that I have to do this again,
just for better understanding where I am coming from...
I rearranged the pictures,

..and since I can't edit my post,
I sadly have to repost the corrected version!!

http://a.imageshack.us/img842/7652/1amartinovicversmartino.jpg

May the future be the judge of it...or somebody with some insight !

[Ian (UK)]

  Do we have any more info on this lady, from a 2008 link.

Princess Helena Palavandovna 1898-1925.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-539587/Revealed-The-British-squaddie-survived-Somme-marry-Russian-princess.html

[Ian (UK)]

  Forgot to ask.......she is genuine, isn't she ?

[Ian (UK)]

PRINCESS HELENA PALAVANDOVA
Photograph as used by most UK news organizations. Copyright unknown.



I have searched the net and found a report which probably relates to the death of Helena's mother.

A PRINCESS BURNED ALIVE         Peasants Set Fire to the Mansion of Prince Palavandoff ................TIFLIS, Aug 25 The country Mansion of Prince Palavandoff at Okoni was set on fire by peasants last night. The Princess was unable to escape, and was burned alive.            NEW YORK TIMES AUG 26 1906

The report exactly corresponds with Helena's age at the time, as in 1906 she was 8 years old. So it seems the City of Leeds has its very own Princess after all.

[Umpahlampy]

Hello,

I found your request whilst surfing and I have registered with this forum in order to respond to your post regarding Princess Helena Davidovna Palavandova. I am the grandson of her husband and I can be seen pictured in the 'Daily Mail' article.

I am sure you are interested in historical fact as apposed to family legends so here's a few facts you can check yourself.

1. I can post a copy of their marriage certificate if you wish (which shows her rank, and that of her father).
2. I have discovered much by means of a little understanding of the politics, history, and languages of Georgia. Despite her marriage certificate naming her as 'Helena', it is much more likely that 'Elena' would a more accurate translation. The Russian version of her family name  can be seen translated as 'Palavandoff' as well as 'Palavandov', and the Georgian version of the family name is 'Palavandishvili'. If you search using the Palavandishvili spelling you should come across a scholarly article in Wikipedia which describes the family's heritage and status. You should also find mention of several Palavandishvili Princes in historical texts (on-line) which describe their involvement at key moments in Georgian history.
3. The politics of Georgia are as complex and sensitive now as they have always been, it seems that Helena's grave was not marked at the request of the 'British Authorities' for complex political reasons here. Despite continuing issues in Georgia, we felt that here in the UK folk could now react to a Princesses gravestone in a mature manner.
4. Our family are continuing to research this family (with limited success) and any substantive facts I will happily share.

I hope I have been of some assistance.